daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old September 1st, 2010, 09:55 AM   #101
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,200
Likes (Received): 767

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgk920 View Post
Railroads in North America were first developed in much that same way, but because they were starting to tie various areas together, about the time of the USA Civil War and within a decade or two after, they were all standardized on track gauge (1435 mm), coupling/braking standards and even timekeeping.

I'd love to see the rest of the Americas do likewise.

Mike
I hope the same for Eurasia. But that's utopic.
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old September 1st, 2010, 01:40 PM   #102
Gag Halfrunt
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 719
Likes (Received): 27

Quote:
Originally Posted by Huhu View Post
Interesting. I guess that explains why Argentina and Chile use "Indian Gauge" because it was almost the same as the old Spanish gauge?
The broad gauge lines in Argentina were built by British companies, for example the Buenos Aires and Pacific Railway and the Argentine Great Western Railway. I don't suppose that standards in Spain or Portugal were at all significant to British companies operating in independent South American republics.
Gag Halfrunt no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 2nd, 2010, 06:46 PM   #103
Aokromes
Patatero Inside
 
Aokromes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Siberia-Gasteiz
Posts: 8,018
Likes (Received): 2652

Experiment to avoid track deformations un curved tracks because hot.



Photos by ibon_81 at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...332689&page=76 more at http://img638.imageshack.us/g/img0642vi.jpg/
__________________
Si quieres compatibilidad con estandares y seguridad, ¿pq recomiendas Firefox y no Opera?
If you want compatibility with standards and security, ¿why do you recomend firefox and not Opera?

The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards - and even then I have my doubts. Gene Spafford.
I am Basque, not Russian, the "Siberia" thing is a joke.
Aokromes no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 3rd, 2010, 04:55 PM   #104
Alexriga
BANNED
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,089
Likes (Received): 183

Quote:
Originally Posted by lanolama;62929993 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting**************62929993******end_of_the_skype_highlighting
Just a small map I found on Rzhdinter's Lybia-project page.



But we can compair it with a map of Lybia.






And few other small photos.









And here what wikipedia says:

There is a plan for an 3170 km 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in) (standard gauge) network.[1] A line parallel to the coast will eventually form part of a North African link between Tunisia and Egypt. The section from the border with Tunisia at Ras Ejder, then via Tripoli to Sirt is currently under construction and is planned to open in 2009. Google Earth reveals (2007-9) progress with the trackbed. China Railway Construction Corporation has contracts to start work in June 2008 on a 352 km route between Sirt and Al Khums, to be finished by 2013.[3] The east-west line will be double track. Google Earth 2009 images show renewed progress with the earthworks, including concrete bridges, that have seen no attention since 2004

A second line will run 800 km from iron ore deposits at Wadi Shati near Sebha to the steel works and port at Misurata from 2012.[3]

A third line will run 554 km from Sirt to Benghazi in the East. In October 2007, RZD submitted a feasibility study for the project, and in 2008 signed a contract to begin construction, which was planned to take 4 years to complete.[4] Work began on 30 August 2008.[5] In August 2010, RZD awarded Ansaldo STS and SELEX Communications a contract to install signalling, telecoms, power, security and ticketing systems which is expected to take three years. Ansaldo STS and SELEX Communications are also working on signalling on new lines between Surt and the Tunisian border, and the route to Sabha.[6]

A trans-Saharan line is also planned, running south to Niger.
that's interesting. what's aim of the line - freight or passenger traffic, also what max speed will be there?
Alexriga no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 02:26 AM   #105
Gadiri
Registered User
 
Gadiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Paris-Agadir-Guelmim
Posts: 52,723
Likes (Received): 6980


Quote:
BORDER LINKS FROM LIBYA


Posted on 21 September 2010

Libyais optimistic that the [U]new standard gauge line currently under construction from Benghazi to the country’s western border at Rass Ajder will be extended eventually to connect with Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Tunisiens (SNCFT – the Tunisian National Railways).This would entail building some 170km of route inside Tunisia to reach the present railhead at Gabes[/B]. Unfortunately the existing 422km line from Gabes to the capital – Tunis – is metre gauge, so through services will not be possible. Some of the 268km Tunis-Sfax section has been realigned and the 3-hour expresses are reputedly the fastest metre gauge trains in the world.

On Libya’s east, a 350km extension of the new standard gauge line is planned to Tobruk from Benghazi. Beyond Tobruk, the formation of a long abandoned (World War II) standard gauge railway extends some 140km to Egypt’s western border at El Soloum, endpoint of a 560km line from Cairo
http://www.railwaysafrica.com/blog/2...ks-from-libya/



This is a french CFD train http://www.cfd.fr/index.php?page=news


Quote:
Originally Posted by Tounsi View Post
Train Express :

image hosted on flickr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ωρτimuş View Post
Le deuxiéme est un autorail de type AMG du constructeur français CFD





Max speed (seems to be) : 160 km/h

Quote:
Caractéristiques : 4 bogies à suspension pneumatique • bogie pendulaire • 2 bogies moteurs • motorisation V8 (2 * 440kw) • 0-100km/h en 68s • redondance moteur en cas de panne • env 105 places • équipement toilettes handicapés • vision panoramique • climatisation...
__________________


FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims



Last edited by Gadiri; September 28th, 2010 at 02:33 AM.
Gadiri no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #106
Billyking
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 35
Likes (Received): 0

Is this metre gauge?
Billyking no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 03:32 PM   #107
sc4
Registered User
 
sc4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: KL,Malaysia
Posts: 1,653
Likes (Received): 88

Yup, looks like it, similar speeds to the one here in Malaysia
sc4 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 05:14 PM   #108
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,200
Likes (Received): 767

Yes it's metre gauge.
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 06:14 PM   #109
Gadiri
Registered User
 
Gadiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Paris-Agadir-Guelmim
Posts: 52,723
Likes (Received): 6980

Quote:
Originally Posted by Billyking View Post
Is this metre gauge?
Yes it is.

CFD is a small french trains constructor.

The website is not upadate.
http://www.cfd.fr/index.php?page=news

Same train in Corse Island.


I only found a good video on a film extract.
__________________


FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims


Gadiri no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 06:24 PM   #110
TWK90
Infrastructure
 
TWK90's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,798
Likes (Received): 3171

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadiri View Post

Max speed (seems to be) : 160 km/h
http://www.sfaxonline.com/voix-sfaxi...-seconde-etape

According to this, the metre gauge DMU used in Tunisia has top speed of 130 km/h.

Tunis-Sfax is about 268 km, according to the news that you posted.

A check from SNCFT website, suggests the Autorail Express service takes about 2 hours 40 minutes.

http://www.sncft.com.tn

That means, the average speed for the journey is about 100 km/h. That's good for a metre gauge train.
TWK90 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #111
Gadiri
Registered User
 
Gadiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Paris-Agadir-Guelmim
Posts: 52,723
Likes (Received): 6980

Quote:
Originally Posted by TWK90 View Post
http://www.sfaxonline.com/voix-sfaxi...-seconde-etape

According to this, the metre gauge DMU used in Tunisia has top speed of 130 km/h.

Tunis-Sfax is about 268 km, according to the news that you posted.

A check from SNCFT website, suggests the Autorail Express service takes about 2 hours 40 minutes.

http://www.sncft.com.tn

That means, the average speed for the journey is about 100 km/h. That's good for a metre gauge train.
Train may stop in Sousse,. It's a big city, I was there. And now trains can't crosse city like by the past. So from Tunis, the train go to Sousse station, retake the same railway, and then take the railway bypass around the city. 100km/h is average speed. But max speed I don't know. I asked it on Tunisian forum. Wait

Quote:
CAF bought 60% of CFR in 2008for 8 millions euros
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compagn...A9partementaux

CFR AMG-800 for Corsica (for Tunisia it's AMG or AMT, confusion on internet).


Spec


http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMG_800

Max speed for Corsica is 100km/h. Waiting for tunisian answer.
__________________


FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims


Gadiri no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 09:18 PM   #112
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,200
Likes (Received): 767

I think the last letter shows the company, except for Corsica.

AMG = Autorail Métrique Grand confort/capacité (?)
AMT = Tunisia
AMP = Provence (Nice-Digne)
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #113
Gadiri
Registered User
 
Gadiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Paris-Agadir-Guelmim
Posts: 52,723
Likes (Received): 6980

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coccodrillo View Post
I think the last letter shows the company, except for Corsica.

AMG = Autorail Métrique Grand confort/capacité (?)
AMT = Tunisia
AMP = Provence (Nice-Digne)


So, those are same specs. Only interior change.
__________________


FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims


Gadiri no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #114
trainrover
:-x
 
trainrover's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,787
Likes (Received): 738

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadiri View Post
Same train in Corse Island.
How come the rear lights are illuminated rolling forward?





Quote:
Originally Posted by Aokromes View Post
Experiment to avoid track deformations un curved tracks because hot.
Is this experiment purpose-built test track or a line in service?

Last edited by trainrover; September 29th, 2010 at 02:00 AM.
trainrover no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2010, 02:04 AM   #115
TWK90
Infrastructure
 
TWK90's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,798
Likes (Received): 3171

Long distance metre gauge electric train in Malaysia.

Maximum design speed of 160 km/h, maximum commercial run speed of 140 km/h.
TWK90 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2010, 10:21 AM   #116
MarcVD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Brussels
Posts: 1,069
Likes (Received): 192

Quote:
Originally Posted by trainrover View Post
How come the rear lights are illuminated rolling forward?
Probably because the film was taken with the train rolling backwards, then
the footage reversed to make the train appear rolling in the other direction.
The film makers probably know zilch about trains, so did not realize - or just
plain don't care - that the train lights are wrong. This kind of mistake appears
everywhere in movies where trains are implied.
MarcVD no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th, 2010, 02:25 PM   #117
sc4
Registered User
 
sc4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: KL,Malaysia
Posts: 1,653
Likes (Received): 88

Quote:
Originally Posted by TWK90 View Post
Long distance metre gauge electric train in Malaysia.

Maximum design speed of 160 km/h, maximum commercial run speed of 140 km/h.
It looks slower than I expected if it is running at 140 km/h...
sc4 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 30th, 2010, 12:11 AM   #118
trainrover
:-x
 
trainrover's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 5,787
Likes (Received): 738

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarcVD View Post
Probably because the film was taken with the train rolling backwards
I hadn't mentioned its headlamp also being on...
trainrover no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2010, 08:06 PM   #119
Gadiri
Registered User
 
Gadiri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Paris-Agadir-Guelmim
Posts: 52,723
Likes (Received): 6980

What about 600mm gauge. Are there trains still operated with this small gauge ?

(India ? , Sudan ?, difficult to see with colors)

Gauges in World


Wikipedia

Biggest : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...auge_world.png



__________________


FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims


Gadiri no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #120
Coccodrillo
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 7,200
Likes (Received): 767

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadiri View Post
What about 600mm gauge. Are there trains still operated with this small gauge ?
Yes, but this gauge is only used with Decauville railways, that is, for mines, industries, and so on. There are no interurban/long distance railways with gauge smaller than 750 mm (or, if they exist, they aren't much).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decauville
__________________
1.6.2016: Basistunnel!

für Güter die Bahn ~ pour vos marchandises le rail ~ chi dice merci dice ferrovia
Coccodrillo no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium