DAR ES SALAAM | multi-billion high rise project | Approved

[nairoberry]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

well as far as i know right now Uganda can at least claim that otherwise Ethiopia has also discovered oil or other natural resources! here i talk of projects that worth billions of US$! may be tell me some! you help me to know that by proving your statement.. today Tanzania has anounced US$ 3 billion worth of coal and iron ore (http://af.reuters.com/article/invest...70H0H920110118) just two months after signing a US$ 7 billion of gas commercialization project in the South (http://www.dailynews.co.tz/business/...4&cat=business) and more is to come an aluminium smelter project worth of US $4 billion is on draft! forgetting a number of cement factories cropping up in the south and BG just had oil discoveries on two offshore blocks according to bloomberg news (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/...st-africa.html) this is besides numerous gold mining investments that come up everytime putting aside those for Uranium, platinum, cobalt, coltan, nobidium, diamond and soda ash that are to start 2012-2015! sasa kama kuna projects zaidi ya hizo zitaje hapa na uache kelele! Only Uganda can argue in the region right now as far as i know cause of oil! try to read here http://www.africaintelligence.com/ai...untry/TANZANIA to see all the projects in Africa

NB: Energy investments
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/busi...z/-/index.html
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNew...6B006I20101201

poa mkuu, tanzania has the largest investments in the region.

wewe unakichaa.

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

poa mkuu, tanzania has the largest investments in the region.

wewe unakichaa.

argue intelligently, there are ranks on this! e.g. star of Africa 2009 survey said so... and showed top 5! there must be one for 2010 by now i hope! People calculate this and not a blah blah! And even the ones i showed you are serious investments if you look at them! nionyeshe single investment in Kenya worth a billion US$! labda kama mna deposits somewhere! BTW that is not a fact to even dare to contest! for your info. in the next 2 years no one can beat Tanzania in the region when it comes to investments on deposits apart from DRC and Uganda (esp. on oil discoveries which is btw highly anticipated at the coast of TZ)! Live with that fact dude..

[nairoberry]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

argue intelligently, there are ranks on this! e.g. star of Africa 2009 survey said so... and showed top 5! there must be one for 2010 by now i hope! People calculate this and not a blah blah! And even the ones i showed you are serious investments if you look at them! nionyeshe single investment in Kenya worth a billion US$! labda kama mna deposits somewhere! BTW that is not a fact to even dare to contest! for your info. in the next 2 years no one can beat Tanzania in the region when it comes to investments on deposits apart from DRC and Uganda (esp. on oil discoveries which is btw highly anticipated at the coast of TZ)! Live with that fact dude..

are you bragging about investments in the mining sector your little head must be nuts. for how long has tz been mining stuff esp tanzanite? and EXACTLY where has that money been going??? how has that tanzanite money benefited the common man???? you make a yourself look desperate when you start yapping about investment in mining sector

how about investment in things that are actually immediately are felt by the common man? have you checked the ethiopian investments in roads, energy, education, railways, housing, manufacturing parks etc the kind of investments that actually go straight to benefiting the common man??? on these kinds of investments none holds a candle to ethiopia in the greater eastern africa region.

you are yapping about mining contracts, while whatever is mined is exported overseas refined and sold back to you for a higher price and the paltry royalty money paid by the mining companies to the govt is eaten up by the few politically connected.

for you to beat your chest about mining contracts is just pathetic on your part.

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

are you bragging about investments in the mining sector your little head must be nuts. for how long has tz been mining stuff esp tanzanite? and EXACTLY where has that money been going??? how has that tanzanite money benefited the common man???? you make a yourself look desperate when you start yapping about investment in mining sector

how about investment in things that are actually immediately are felt by the common man? have you checked the ethiopian investments in roads, energy, education, railways, housing, manufacturing parks etc the kind of investments that actually go straight to benefiting the common man??? on these kinds of investments none holds a candle to ethiopia in the greater eastern africa region.

you are yapping about mining contracts, while whatever is mined is exported overseas refined and sold back to you for a higher price and the paltry royalty money paid by the mining companies to the govt is eaten up by the few politically connected.

for you to beat your chest about mining contracts is just pathetic on your part.

The issue here is investments and when they rank countries, they don't look at whether come from mining or otherwise! BTW from mining there is a room to diversify our economy...think as a smart person and not political! when you were finger crossed as a country desperately waiting to discover oil/gas at Isiolo (http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/C...z/-/index.html) and end up hiting air you must have probably not thought of what you are bitterly pitting right now! BTW such mining activities bring permanent jobs and i am sure no sensible man can argue like the way you do...countries wishes to have deposits! and if not then technological advanced of which Kenya is not a part of! Live with that...and for your info. even the Tanzanite business has impacted on the economics of Arusha cause many youths are imployed there as artisan miners!

[nairoberry]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

The issue here is investments and when they rank countries, they don't look at whether come from mining or otherwise!

the devil is always in the details geza.

so since they dont look where the invertments come from, the rest of us should not look? wewe ni kama kondoo, you will believe and follow anything you are told without using your own intellect to make your own analysis.

have fun braggin about investmnts in mining, if you were smarter you would think before you talk but apparently you dont.

[nairoberry]

tanzan i am sorry for soiling your thread. i am done

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

the devil is always in the details geza.

so since they dont look where the invertments come from, the rest of us should not look? wewe ni kama kondoo, you will believe and follow anything you are told without using your own intellect to make your own analysis.

have fun braggin about investmnts in mining, if you were smarter you would think before you talk but apparently you dont.

hata mama yako anaweza kuwa kondoo pia maana naona unakosa ustaarabu! i talk of economics here while you keep arguing about your fantacies, can you call yourself an intellectual? For your info. even the US started with mining, before diversifying so is Australia, the UAE, Brazil, South Africa and India! investments in mining activities come with infrastructure whether railway or port improvements or electricity or machinery! BTW, most inventions came from mining related activities even the modernization of Europe in 1900s! I am sure you wish to have deposits but unfortunately not blessed and even the agriculture you think you are good at, we still feed you and this year it is estimated around 5 million Kenyans will be in hunger! Sasa sijui unaongea nini wakati najua mta-cross border kuja kununua chakula!

[evany]

Originally Posted by tanzan

Originally Posted by tanzan

I recently visited NSSF pavillon at SabaSaba grounds...this project was highlight of the show and are serious about it. I will show some updated photos.

this is massive bring 'em out

[MARK_S]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

tanzan i am sorry for soiling your thread. i am done

You should at all time understand that KENYAS, many KENYAS talk lot of shits about us, unlike you, you seem cooperative in here with us, thanks.

Again, since then, Kenyans regarded themselves as SUPERMEN/WOMEN, but in the wake of regional-economic competition, Kenyans are losing so fast and very seriously.

Bad enough, Kenyans are engaging in “hate speech” in many of Kenya’s media out-lets.

And when talking about bragging, we all know that, KENYAS are leading the Block with such an irrational trend.

Just read this shit from your Kenyan friend, and tell me, how we would feel with our “new and regional biggest and busiest AIRPORT current under-construction.

You are the cause……….lets think REGIONALLY……..even though its Kenya’s overly greediness that led to the collapse of the first regional-block.


Welcome homie, feel at home!!!!

[MARK_S]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

tanzan i am sorry for soiling your thread. i am done

You should at all time understand that KENYAS, many KENYAS talk lot of shits about us, unlike you, you seem cooperative in here with us, thanks.

Again, since then, Kenyans regarded themselves as SUPERMEN/WOMEN, but in the wake of regional-economic competition, Kenyans are losing so fast and very seriously.

Bad enough, Kenyans are engaging in “hate speech” in many of Kenya’s media out-lets.

And when talking about bragging, we all know that, KENYAS are leading the Block with such an irrational trend.

Just read this shit from your Kenyan friend, and tell me, how we would feel with our “new and regional biggest and busiest AIRPORT current under-construction.

You are the cause……….lets think REGIONALLY……..even though its Kenya’s overly greediness that led to the collapse of the first regional-block.


Welcome homie, feel at home!!!!


Can julius nyerere international airport become a hub?

I know this might cause a furor amongst aviation zealots. Patriotism aside, let us face it. We are not yet near seeing Julius Nyerere International Airport (JNIA) become a hub. Not in the short to medium term. It is easier said than done. Last week we saw that there are certain conditions precedent to be attained for an airport to become a hub. These include the critical mass in terms of traffic movements through an airport and the seamless and effective connectivity in terms of time efficacy at the airport in question.

But equally important is the airport and ancillary infrastructure to support and sustain that particular hub. For instance, a hub airport needs enough runways to be able to handle as many aircraft ladings and take offs especially during the peak periods. That is why the planned second runway at JNIA is very important both in terms of capacity building and emergency cases. Also important are the terminal facilities that can cope with traffic volumes both passing and transiting through the hub. These include civil aviation navigational facilities, aircraft parking space, passenger and baggage handling facilities, resting lounges for transit passengers, duty free shopping space, aircraft ground handling facilities and a passenger user-friendly environment.

The ancillary infrastructure in this context include good and affordable hotel accommodation within the airport proximity, efficient road network and last but not least security. These are some of the factors which airlines take into account before taking a decision to fly to a destination. Normally an airline sends an advance team to access the situation on the ground and see if the chosen destination has adequate accommodation for crew and emergency situations in case of a technical layover for passengers. Easy accessibility to the airport also plays a crucial part in determining the suitability of the destination because traffic jams can be a menace as far as on-time-performance goes and of course security of the airport and the country in general can make or break the airport’s perception.

It is quite obvious from the foregoing that JNIA is still lacking in many respects. For example, suppose there was a windfall of traffic to double from the current through put traffic of 1.5 million passengers (ball pack figure) to 3.0 million per annum (currently JKIA stands at 4.5 million). JNIA would be completely choked up! The airport would suddenly become a sight of long queues at check-in and check-out counters let alone congestion within the passenger holding areas and crammed aircraft in a parking area. All these factors militate against JNIA maturing into hub at least in the short to medium term but more particularly because of its proximity to Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA) in Nairobi, due to the following factors.

First, JKIA is already a fully fledged hub of East Africa thanks to Kenya Airways (KQ) and other foreign international airlines. At the moment JKIA is like a powerful “magnet” attracting all sorts of traffic from almost all corners around Africa through Nairobi such that it will be a monumental task for JNIA to set up an equally competing “magnet” to counter JKIA. Theoretically yes, but practically it is a very tall order indeed. Let us remember that it has taken many years of dedication and perseverance for KQ ( and Ethiopian Airlines) to be where it is especially in terms of networking Africa. Also KQ’s strategic partnership with KLM Dutch Airlines was well thought out and carefully executed hence beneficial and a catalyst to KQ’s JKIA hub strategy.

Second, JKIA already has a head start in terms of attracting many foreign airlines into Nairobi as a destination compared to JNIA. Because Nairobi has much superior aviation facilitation than Dar Es Salaam, many airlines have already taken the decision to set camp in Nairobi instead of Dar Es Salaam. Examples abound. Air Mauritius, Air Madagascar, Bellview Air, Air Sudan, Virgin Atlantic Airways and Saudia all have online operations into JKIA and seem contented to feed into and out of Nairobi therefore it is very unlikely that they will change their position anytime soon unless something dramatic takes place. In addition JKIA has become a distribution centre for many cargo flights into East and Central Africa. Emirates Cargo, Ethiad Cargo, Air France Cargo, MK, Maersk Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo and Martinair have flights into JKIA which makes it a beehive of activities compared to JNIA and Entebbe International Airport (EIA). Let us take cognizance of the fact that it is a herculean task to convince even some of these airlines to relocate from Nairobi to Dar Es Salaam which is only a few air kilometers away. Not in the current state of our beloved city of the haven of piece.

Third, because of its economies of scale, JKIA is a cost competitive airport to operate from compared to its neighbouring airports of JNIA and EIA. Take for example the ground handling services. Whereas JKIA has more than three ground handling companies EIA has only two while JNIA has effectively one namely Swissport Company, a virtual monopoly with very little room for maneuver when it comes to pricing . Despite being on the Indian Ocean port of Dar Es Salaam, the price of jet fuel JNIA is USD 0.756 per litre (VAT exempted) compared to USD 0. 686 per litre found at JKIA right in the hinterland of Kenya! The same applies for airport departure taxes. Nairobi stands at USD 20 per ticket for an adult person while Dar Es Salaam is at USD 30 per ticket for an adult. This is not only a turn off to foreign airlines which may wish to start operations at JNIA but also a deterrent to would be passengers because JNIA is an expensive airport to start a flight journey from compared to JKIA.

Finally, Nairobi is endowed with many International organizations. For example, the headquarters of United Nations-HABITAT is based in Nairobi. HABITAT and many others coupled with the superior economy of Kenya give Nairobi City a big boast as opposed to neighbouring cities of Dar Es Salaam and Kampala in terms of traffic generation thus making JKIA a much more active and lively airport than its competitors. Admittedly these advantages are not about to go away. At least not in the near future. But of more importance is the fact that KQ as a national airline of Kenya has remained focused on making JKIA a hub of East Africa and the Government is firmly behind this strategy.

It is from this perspective that the writer is of the strong view point that JNIA has a very long way to go before it can really catch up with JKIA let alone provide formidable competition. To achieve this monumental task the economic planners need to take a holistic or multi-disciplinary approach encompassing aviation, infrastructure, tourism and leisure sectors. This can only be realized if everyone plays his part lest JNIA will continue to play second fiddle to JKIA for a very long time.

http://www.jamiiforums.com/business-...ome-a-hub.html

Byase Luteke

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by MARK_S

You should at all time understand that KENYAS, many KENYAS talk lot of shits about us, unlike you, you seem cooperative in here with us, thanks.

Again, since then, Kenyans regarded themselves as SUPERMEN/WOMEN, but in the wake of regional-economic competition, Kenyans are losing so fast and very seriously.

Bad enough, Kenyans are engaging in “hate speech” in many of Kenya’s media out-lets.

And when talking about bragging, we all know that, KENYAS are leading the Block with such an irrational trend.

Just read this shit from your Kenyan friend, and tell me, how we would feel with our “new and regional biggest and busiest AIRPORT current under-construction.

You are the cause……….lets think REGIONALLY……..even though its Kenya’s overly greediness that led to the collapse of the first regional-block.


Welcome homie, feel at home!!!!


Can julius nyerere international airport become a hub?

I know this might cause a furor amongst aviation zealots. Patriotism aside, let us face it. We are not yet near seeing Julius Nyerere International Airport (JNIA) become a hub. Not in the short to medium term. It is easier said than done. Last week we saw that there are certain conditions precedent to be attained for an airport to become a hub. These include the critical mass in terms of traffic movements through an airport and the seamless and effective connectivity in terms of time efficacy at the airport in question.

But equally important is the airport and ancillary infrastructure to support and sustain that particular hub. For instance, a hub airport needs enough runways to be able to handle as many aircraft ladings and take offs especially during the peak periods. That is why the planned second runway at JNIA is very important both in terms of capacity building and emergency cases. Also important are the terminal facilities that can cope with traffic volumes both passing and transiting through the hub. These include civil aviation navigational facilities, aircraft parking space, passenger and baggage handling facilities, resting lounges for transit passengers, duty free shopping space, aircraft ground handling facilities and a passenger user-friendly environment.

The ancillary infrastructure in this context include good and affordable hotel accommodation within the airport proximity, efficient road network and last but not least security. These are some of the factors which airlines take into account before taking a decision to fly to a destination. Normally an airline sends an advance team to access the situation on the ground and see if the chosen destination has adequate accommodation for crew and emergency situations in case of a technical layover for passengers. Easy accessibility to the airport also plays a crucial part in determining the suitability of the destination because traffic jams can be a menace as far as on-time-performance goes and of course security of the airport and the country in general can make or break the airport’s perception.

It is quite obvious from the foregoing that JNIA is still lacking in many respects. For example, suppose there was a windfall of traffic to double from the current through put traffic of 1.5 million passengers (ball pack figure) to 3.0 million per annum (currently JKIA stands at 4.5 million). JNIA would be completely choked up! The airport would suddenly become a sight of long queues at check-in and check-out counters let alone congestion within the passenger holding areas and crammed aircraft in a parking area. All these factors militate against JNIA maturing into hub at least in the short to medium term but more particularly because of its proximity to Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA) in Nairobi, due to the following factors.

First, JKIA is already a fully fledged hub of East Africa thanks to Kenya Airways (KQ) and other foreign international airlines. At the moment JKIA is like a powerful “magnet” attracting all sorts of traffic from almost all corners around Africa through Nairobi such that it will be a monumental task for JNIA to set up an equally competing “magnet” to counter JKIA. Theoretically yes, but practically it is a very tall order indeed. Let us remember that it has taken many years of dedication and perseverance for KQ ( and Ethiopian Airlines) to be where it is especially in terms of networking Africa. Also KQ’s strategic partnership with KLM Dutch Airlines was well thought out and carefully executed hence beneficial and a catalyst to KQ’s JKIA hub strategy.

Second, JKIA already has a head start in terms of attracting many foreign airlines into Nairobi as a destination compared to JNIA. Because Nairobi has much superior aviation facilitation than Dar Es Salaam, many airlines have already taken the decision to set camp in Nairobi instead of Dar Es Salaam. Examples abound. Air Mauritius, Air Madagascar, Bellview Air, Air Sudan, Virgin Atlantic Airways and Saudia all have online operations into JKIA and seem contented to feed into and out of Nairobi therefore it is very unlikely that they will change their position anytime soon unless something dramatic takes place. In addition JKIA has become a distribution centre for many cargo flights into East and Central Africa. Emirates Cargo, Ethiad Cargo, Air France Cargo, MK, Maersk Cargo, Lufthansa Cargo and Martinair have flights into JKIA which makes it a beehive of activities compared to JNIA and Entebbe International Airport (EIA). Let us take cognizance of the fact that it is a herculean task to convince even some of these airlines to relocate from Nairobi to Dar Es Salaam which is only a few air kilometers away. Not in the current state of our beloved city of the haven of piece.

Third, because of its economies of scale, JKIA is a cost competitive airport to operate from compared to its neighbouring airports of JNIA and EIA. Take for example the ground handling services. Whereas JKIA has more than three ground handling companies EIA has only two while JNIA has effectively one namely Swissport Company, a virtual monopoly with very little room for maneuver when it comes to pricing . Despite being on the Indian Ocean port of Dar Es Salaam, the price of jet fuel JNIA is USD 0.756 per litre (VAT exempted) compared to USD 0. 686 per litre found at JKIA right in the hinterland of Kenya! The same applies for airport departure taxes. Nairobi stands at USD 20 per ticket for an adult person while Dar Es Salaam is at USD 30 per ticket for an adult. This is not only a turn off to foreign airlines which may wish to start operations at JNIA but also a deterrent to would be passengers because JNIA is an expensive airport to start a flight journey from compared to JKIA.

Finally, Nairobi is endowed with many International organizations. For example, the headquarters of United Nations-HABITAT is based in Nairobi. HABITAT and many others coupled with the superior economy of Kenya give Nairobi City a big boast as opposed to neighbouring cities of Dar Es Salaam and Kampala in terms of traffic generation thus making JKIA a much more active and lively airport than its competitors. Admittedly these advantages are not about to go away. At least not in the near future. But of more importance is the fact that KQ as a national airline of Kenya has remained focused on making JKIA a hub of East Africa and the Government is firmly behind this strategy.

It is from this perspective that the writer is of the strong view point that JNIA has a very long way to go before it can really catch up with JKIA let alone provide formidable competition. To achieve this monumental task the economic planners need to take a holistic or multi-disciplinary approach encompassing aviation, infrastructure, tourism and leisure sectors. This can only be realized if everyone plays his part lest JNIA will continue to play second fiddle to JKIA for a very long time.

http://www.jamiiforums.com/business-...ome-a-hub.html

Byase Luteke

Mkuu today's economy doesn't look at the existence of lets say UN headquarters but the number of passengers! Tanzania can still manage to make Dar a hub even without having them just making the airport more friendly and improving the infrastructure! other issues are irrelevant

[jnyerere89]

Mark, reading what you wrote about what would need to be changed at JNIA is very important information; information that an airline fanatic like me didn't even know about. And you are indeed right. If we want our beloved Dar es Salaam to be not only a Haven of Peace, but a HUB of Peace for East Africa, then we would indeed have a long way to go.

And you are right that all areas would have to be involved from tourism to the government. The airport would need all the support it could get. Swissport is a crappy company in my opinion and the way they do things in JNIA is just unacceptable. We deserve better and we should work harder to make our airport not only the best in E. Africa, but a world-class airport.

Most importantly is the long distance between JNIA and City Centre. If they were smart, people would start building hotels in the areas surrounding the airport. Most international airports worldwide are surrounded by tons and tons of hotels when the passenger leaves the airport. This is especially true in the some of the largest airports in the world. If JNIA wants to attract more airlines and more passengers, they would have to start convincing hotels to build in that area as well. This would turn into a domino effect where-as development would start to boom in the area surrounding the airport. People then wouldn't have to go to City Centre to enjoy the city.

Last but not least, INFRASTRUCTURE is everything!!! One of the major problem at JNIA is that there is no air-conditioning. It is important that we get that fixed, and this is when reliable electricity comes in. Extensions on the roads leading to the airport comes in hand as it would help to decongest the current roads which are too small for the traffic that we have in Dar.

If there are things I left out, feel free to add onto what I've already said.

[xJamaax]

Hongera Bongo! Sijui kwa nini hawataki kujenga majengo ya orofa mengi Nairobi !

[MARK_S]

Originally Posted by TZBoy

Very interesting read, i fully agree with what you have written. I, as a Tanzanian, would like JNIA to compete with JKIA but quite frankly it can't happen in the short term.

Construction of a new terminal is currently underway which means an increase in passenger traffic. TAA (Tanzania Airport Authority) seem to have in under control but i would like to say KIA (Kilimanjaro International Airport) is slowly dying because of the success of JKIA.

What we need is a national airline that would compete with KQ while the government gives out incentives for international airlines to land in Dar.

If TAA doesn't not pull up its socks JKIA will be East Africa's hub for many more years.

….all things are in a right place, coz base to the aviation blueprint in the country, in 7 to 13yrs from now we can beat KQ.

Tanzania: Govt - Aviation Plan Will Be Global Envy.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201012080753.html

….and in terms of regional Hub, you can just check below……….also mind you, the down link was published in Kenya, by a Kenyan newspaper. Apart from this, they talk a lot of shit about us in their newspapers.


Tanzania: Dar Airport to Handle Over 30 Planes an Hour.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201003020616.html , and when you read, you will understand, wameichakachua habari, so as to establish a foolish “sense” kuwa tuna jengewa!!!

[MARK_S]

Originally Posted by jnyerere89

Mark, reading what you wrote about what would need to be changed at JNIA is very important information; information that an airline fanatic like me didn't even know about. And you are indeed right. If we want our beloved Dar es Salaam to be not only a Haven of Peace, but a HUB of Peace for East Africa, then we would indeed have a long way to go.

And you are right that all areas would have to be involved from tourism to the government. The airport would need all the support it could get. Swissport is a crappy company in my opinion and the way they do things in JNIA is just unacceptable. We deserve better and we should work harder to make our airport not only the best in E. Africa, but a world-class airport.

Most importantly is the long distance between JNIA and City Centre. If they were smart, people would start building hotels in the areas surrounding the airport. Most international airports worldwide are surrounded by tons and tons of hotels when the passenger leaves the airport. This is especially true in the some of the largest airports in the world. If JNIA wants to attract more airlines and more passengers, they would have to start convincing hotels to build in that area as well. This would turn into a domino effect where-as development would start to boom in the area surrounding the airport. People then wouldn't have to go to City Centre to enjoy the city.

Last but not least, INFRASTRUCTURE is everything!!! One of the major problem at JNIA is that there is no air-conditioning. It is important that we get that fixed, and this is when reliable electricity comes in. Extensions on the roads leading to the airport comes in hand as it would help to decongest the current roads which are too small for the traffic that we have in Dar.

If there are things I left out, feel free to add onto what I've already said.

............come down homie!!!…….all things are in a right place, lets pray for peace and unit. Just go through my post above.

[nairoberry]

wow!!! this is getting embarrassing

[kiligoland]

MARK S, I can feel you bro, Im not sensitive but that makes two of us, im having problems understanding why someone has to say those unpleasants words to us, I saw many my bro, some even posted directly to tanzanian blogs, I dont want to jump to conclusion pretty fast but some are hurting coz is too much, why even say sth you are not even sure of, I remember our brother claiming that "TANZANIANS ARE PARTY ANIMALS AND FUNNY CREATURES" this one

, plus we have been despised coz we cannot speak english, wish Lord God bless us and build a strong harmonius East African Community.

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by kiligoland

MARK S, I can feel you bro, Im not sensitive but that makes two of us, im having problems understanding why someone has to say those unpleasants words to us, I saw many my bro, some even posted directly to tanzanian blogs, I dont want to jump to conclusion pretty fast but some are hurting coz is too much, why even say sth you are not even sure of, I remember our brother claiming that "TANZANIANS ARE PARTY ANIMALS AND FUNNY CREATURES" this one

, plus we have been despised coz we cannot speak english, wish Lord God bless us and build a strong harmonius East African Community.

Just try to learn their character and it won't bother you at all! as for me i know "them" in and out! Lets be strong as people and no one will intimidate us in anyway! as a matter of fact outside their borders they become one inside they become separate 2012 is coming you will see things!

[nairoberry]

Originally Posted by nairoberry

wow!!! this is getting embarrassing

change that

This is getting comical

[TZBoy]

this thread is about Dar Multi-Billion Projects so i agree with Nairoberry.