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Old May 25th, 2010, 08:09 PM   #21
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Old May 25th, 2010, 08:37 PM   #22
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Wow... talk about putting one religion above all others.

So I couldn't visit Makkah as a tourist if I wasn't Muslim?

Coming from a multicultural, multireligious society, this baffles me.
And women are *PROHIBITED* from driving a car, among many other things, there, too. Every couple of months I hear a story on the international news wires about the latest antics of the Saudi 'Religious Police' (I forget offhand their official translated title) and they do seriously enforce this stuff.

It's not one World out there.

At least we Infidels CAN 'visit' those two cities using Google Earth high-resolution aerial images as well as the ground-level images that are posted in great quantity here in SSC.

(I'd use the 'cheers1' smiley here, but beverage alcohol is also *PROHIBITED* in Saudi Arabia.)

BTW, there are *NO* Christian churches in Saudi Arabia, too, although I did hear some mention not long ago of the Vatican being close to being able to build a church there, likely in Riyadh/Al Riyad.

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Old May 25th, 2010, 08:54 PM   #23
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And women are *PROHIBITED* from driving a car,
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I don't see how that's a bad thing. I believe their accident rates are the lowest in the world...............Just Joking.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 10:01 AM   #24
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It's a shame the country is so conservative, they would be even more developed than they already are thanks to oil if they at least followed Dubai's relative relaxations of sharia law.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 10:19 AM   #25
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How do they determine your religion? Most passports that I know of don't mark that one down, exactly.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 10:21 AM   #26
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Muslim only??? Is this serious? Fraking racist people!!!!
Imagine if we had a sign in the Vatican saying Christian only ...
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Old May 26th, 2010, 10:23 AM   #27
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Looks really nice. I wish they'd relax their visa restrictions so I can visit!
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Old May 26th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #28
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Muslim only??? Is this serious? Fraking racist people!!!!
Imagine if we had a sign in the Vatican saying Christian only ...
That's right I asked in tourist agency for a 1 day tour to Mekkah, their reaction Non muslims are not welcome in this country.

some of my pics you can find here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1125863
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And women are *PROHIBITED* from driving a car, among many other things, there, too. Every couple of months I hear a story on the international news wires about the latest antics of the Saudi 'Religious Police' (I forget offhand their official translated title) and they do seriously enforce this stuff.

It's not one World out there.

At least we Infidels CAN 'visit' those two cities using Google Earth high-resolution aerial images as well as the ground-level images that are posted in great quantity here in SSC.

(I'd use the 'cheers1' smiley here, but beverage alcohol is also *PROHIBITED* in Saudi Arabia.)

BTW, there are *NO* Christian churches in Saudi Arabia, too, although I did hear some mention not long ago of the Vatican being close to being able to build a church there, likely in Riyadh/Al Riyad.

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I would never visit that country, for me it is heart of world's problem like supporting radicalism all over the world with it's wicked ideology.

Hopefully one day the world will need no their oil anymore than this mascaraed will finish and world terrorism/extremism will go down.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #30
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That's right I asked in tourist agency for a 1 day tour to Mekkah, their reaction Non muslims are not welcome in this country.

some of my pics you can find here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1125863
There are a lot of other muslim-countries you can visit.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 11:53 AM   #31
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Looks really nice. I wish they'd relax their visa restrictions so I can visit!
I doubt if it's possible to visit this country as a non-muslim tourist at all. Business, yes, but tourism? I doubt it. I wonder if you can drive as a western passport holder from Jordan to the UAE in transit through Saudi-Arabia.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #32
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I doubt if it's possible to visit this country as a non-muslim tourist at all. Business, yes, but tourism? I doubt it. I wonder if you can drive as a western passport holder from Jordan to the UAE in transit through Saudi-Arabia.
I don't think so. They even have quota's for the amount of people allowed during the Hadj. This means even muslims (with or without western passport) can be denied entry.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 12:13 PM   #33
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I doubt if it's possible to visit this country as a non-muslim tourist at all. Business, yes, but tourism? I doubt it. I wonder if you can drive as a western passport holder from Jordan to the UAE in transit through Saudi-Arabia.
You can apply for transit visas if you are using your own vehicle and you can prove that it's the only way to travel for you. Like driving from Jordan to UAE or Yemen. People have done it but I don't know what is the real chance to get the visa. And transit visas are good only for a very short time. Was it 36 hours or something. So concerning the distances you would be really on the transit to get out of the country before your visa expires.
Some travellers have even got a transit visa for taking a public bus from UAE or Yemen to Jordan but it's more complicated to get it because you have to prove that you can't take a flight.

As a tourist you can only visit as part of the group. There are about 10 companies who are allowed to organize tours for western tourists. So no independent travelling around the country as a tourist. Of course you can go alone and take your own tour guide and travel almost everywhere with him without problems. But it would cost a lot.
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Old May 26th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #34
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Muslim only??? Is this serious? Fraking racist people!!!!
Imagine if we had a sign in the Vatican saying Christian only ...
I totally agree with you. The landscape looks wonderful and I'm sure some of their sites and cities are too. But the regime there is just nuts. Freaking religious extremists
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Old May 29th, 2010, 07:04 AM   #35
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Everyone can visit Saudia for tourism with a tour operator. Only the area around Medina and Mekkah are not allowed to non-muslims. That is quite small for this big country.

By the past, jews lived in Medina with Mohamed Prophet. They didin't respect some engagements. The treaty was cancelled. Since that time, this is only for muslims.
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Old May 29th, 2010, 07:23 AM   #36
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I will post some personal pics later that i took last year when i went to saudi. its on my lap top, so please wait
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Old May 30th, 2010, 02:01 AM   #37
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No-one say that there is no progress in Saudi-Arabia: The fire brigade is now allowed to rescue women from a burning building. Before, they had to burn down with it.

But of course, dirty infidels can't be allowed to got to Mekka. Maybe they even touched a dog or -- Allah may help us -- ate pork.

That would really disturb the Muslim community there from letting their women burn.
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Old May 30th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #38
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I doubt if it's possible to visit this country as a non-muslim tourist at all. Business, yes, but tourism? I doubt it. I wonder if you can drive as a western passport holder from Jordan to the UAE in transit through Saudi-Arabia.
Last year there has been a Dutch TV travel show ("3 op reis") in which the host Floortje Dessing really visited Saudi-Arabia. She made two episodes from that country which really showed a beautiful country with friendly people.

The discussion whether not to visit a country is interesting. For example: I am pretty sure that a lot of people who are against capital punishment visit the U.S. When doe people decide to visit or not to visit a country?

For my self: I am aware of the problems in a certain country but as long as it is safe enough to travel to it, I don't see any problem to visit it. I also really want to visit Saudi-Arabia when I should have the possibility.

Don't forget: A lot of people (including myself) have visited the neighbouring U.A.E, a country also with a very conservative groups of muslims, a country without freedom of speech and a country where human rights are violated. There are differences between KSA and UAE, that's for sure, but there are also a lot of similarities. Somehow, few people would refuse to visit the UAE.

Strange, isn't it?
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There are a lot of other muslim-countries you can visit.
I've been to a few of them, but this one was really different. Anyway I can not say all people there are not welcoming foreign non muslim tourists. I found many of them really nice and helpful. To be honest I think most of them are really afraid to have a contact with other, non muslim people.

Going back to the matter of this thread roads seems to be in a good condition comparing to other Middle East asian countries, but in cities very crowded.
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post the landscapes of hejaz, especially between Makkah and Medina, it feels like you are on another planet
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