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Old October 9th, 2010, 03:19 PM   #201
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torn between Prague and Vienna
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Old October 9th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #202
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same with brussels :/
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:38 AM   #203
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I´ve only been in three (Paris, Brussels and Lisbon) and Paris takes the lead.

Watching some pictures I think London, Vienna, Copenhagen, Stockholm and Rome will also impress me a lot.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:51 AM   #204
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same with brussels :/
It is hard to choose the best ones, because all European cities are beautiful and chamring on their own, unique way.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 09:23 AM   #205
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Old October 11th, 2010, 12:03 AM   #206
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Despite I hate such city vs. city threads, I think Stockholm would be a strong candidate.
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Old October 11th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #207
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There's something with Stockholm. I can never remember how it looked like.







It's very well cared. And it's undoubtedly pretty. But it never really is excellent, perhaps.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #208
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And this Stockholm, too (Lärkstaden district)





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Old October 12th, 2010, 01:45 AM   #209
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Istanbul is not a capital, lol.

true! I´ve been to Ankara!
two days of my life that I will never recover! maybe that´s why I erase it from my head!
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Old October 12th, 2010, 08:23 AM   #210
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It really depends how you define "beatiful", not just in the eye of the beyholder but in terms of whether its an overall area or the sum of everything you like in a city.

Of the capitals i'v visted I'd go with Copenhagen for the first, really nice and compact, lots of history in the center, taseful devolpments around them and nice waterways and parks.

For the second it might be London(espeically greater London including places like Richmond), a good bit of ugliness but masses of great architecture aswell. More character than Paris for me and because its glory days were only a century ago the results are more widespread and better preserved than in much of europe.
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Old October 12th, 2010, 01:37 PM   #211
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When it´s up to beauty:

1. Vienna (maybe quite subjective )
2. Paris
3. Prague
4. Madrid
5. Budapest
6. Stockholm
7. London
8. Berlin

Depending on my mood and being objective, I have to put all of them on first place. Every city (also others I didn´t mention here) has its beauty and special atmosphere. Europe´s great!
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Old October 17th, 2010, 08:20 AM   #212
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london and wien (vienna)
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 01:10 AM   #213
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My tentative and ever dynamic ranking:

Prague - this has always been number 1 for me. My dad used to take biz trips there all the time and bring back books, and ever since even though I haven't personally been I think it's my favorite by far. My dad actually met Vaclav Havel a couple of times and I really like Vaclav Klaus as a politician. I also really like the movie XXX

Madrid - this is difficult, but I spent a good long time in Madrid one summer and it offers up a variety of styles one can find in every other major European capital. It is quite a place.

Rome - is the father of all that is western civilization. You have remnants of classical Rome on the Palatine/Capitoline Hills, then you have Renaissance Rome where some of the first true urban design came to be by the likes of Alberti and Sixtus V.

Paris - I only really like Paris for its immensity and its layout/planning. It has an interesting history, but I don't care for the architecture so much.

Vienna

Munich

Florence - hard to compete with Brunelleschi

London - beautiful, but more modern...I like its mesh more than I like its classical architecture

Brussels - really at this point these cities all look equally beautiful in my book

Barcelona

Stockholm - eh, by default because I'm half Swedish and I have family there, but really Stockholm is more "interesting" than beautiful and isn't fully my cup of tea

Nice

Ok it's hard to officially rank cities at this point.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 09:54 AM   #214
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Rome - is the father of all that is western civilization.
You have never heard of Athens, right???
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 09:45 PM   #215
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PARIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way.. Paris is the most beautiful city in the world
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 10:06 PM   #216
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I would say Berlin. I've visited it last week and really loved it!
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 10:28 PM   #217
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it's crazy London has more votes than this cities:

Vienna 30 points
Amsterdam 24 points
Budapest 23 points
Madrid 20 points
Lisbon 17 points
Stockholm 16 points
Tallin 4 points
Bucharest

I suppose it's just that people dont know them, or most forumers are voting for their own capital city or just the cities they've heard about (I've noticed most people voting for London are not european). It's also crazy that Istambul isn't even on the list, it should really be in the top 5 or 10. What about Kiev and Zagrev? I'm sure many anglosaxons might think those names are car models, but they are amazing cities.

According to Edinburgh, it surely is one of the most beautyful cities in Europe, but it's certainly not the capital of a country. Even if one could call the UK a federation wich it's not, it wouldn't be a country's capital.
If we apply the same criteria of those saying Edinburgh is a capital, then every US state would be a country.
So much ignorance in such a small post...
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Old October 24th, 2010, 02:34 AM   #218
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You have never heard of Athens, right???
If you study Rome and Athens what you will learn is that Rome was the closest thing to the United States of America there was until the U.S of A. Athens/ancient Greece was actually nowhere close. Rome and Athens were very near opposites. A sewer built by the Romans over 2,000 years ago was only recently retired sometime in the 1930s, I mean Rome is basically modern day western civilization without electicity. Also, Romans knew how to pour concrete. After Rome declined concrete did not appear again until Europe colonized the SE United States (and some African civilizations theoretically knew how to mix concrete).

Also the way the Greeks viewed cities was entirely different. The way Rome viewed itself is that there was no Roman empire or Romans until the city of Rome was founded and named in honor of the semi-mythical Romulus (and Remus) in something like 753 B.C. Greece was always Greece and the Greeks viewed themselves as a collection of people, not as a civilization centered around Athens.

Also, keep in mind many of the famous Greeks we study and quote today (in fact most of them) lived in Greek colonies in southern Italy, not actually in Greece.

Rome also had border problems. It was such a rich and advanced civilization that literally everyone wanted to cross the border into Roman territory to try to make it in a Roman town or in Rome. Rome had to patrol its borders not unlike advanced countries today. And after Rome declined, it really did not recover properly and effectively until Sixtus V and the pope restored the aqueducts so the city could get fresh water. And Rome did not recover its original classical population of 1.3 million until the late 19th/early 20th century! Athens only made it to 420,000 in its heyday not too long before Rome was at its peak.

The bottom line was that Rome was the capital of a large empire and Roman civilization was highly organized almost exactly like the U.S. is today. Athens was the largest city-state in a collection of Greek city-states. There was not a lot of organization there.

And might I add the Renaissance started in Italy (in Sienna then Florence) but quickly spread to Rome. Rome was the first modern day capital to be influenced by the Renaissance, and just as Rome was the model for all cities from 250 B.C. to 400 A.D. Rome once again became the model for cities like Paris, London, Vienna, Madrid, etc. One can trace literally everything to Rome, both in classical times and in more modern times.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 05:11 AM   #219
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Cities like Stockholm will never get the recognition they deserve because it's not on every backpacker's list like the extremely typical cities of: Paris, Rome, Amsterdam, Vienna.....etc. All the lists people have made are just their opinions of cities they've visited (or just saw pics of).
Anyway, I have only visited 5 European capitals, so I will not bother making an ill-informed list.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #220
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If you study Rome and Athens what you will learn is that Rome was the closest thing to the United States of America there was until the U.S of A.
Not quite sure what you mean by that - there have been other cities and nations that have risen to prominence between Ancient Rome and Modern USA. Also I don't really see that much in common between Rome and the United States with the exception that many nations and cities within the past 1,500 years have sought to inspire themselves of Rome in many respects (be it its legal system, political system, architecture, even the names of its leaders; e.g. "Kaiser" and "Tsar" are titles named in honour of Caesar) and the USA in that respect is no different.

Also Rome, in its early days, was greatly inspired by Ancient Greece which is generally recognised as being at the origins of Western Civilisation. Rome of course is seen as being a major catalyst in Western Civilisation's expansion so really it's fair to credit both the Greeks and the Romans.
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