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Old July 2nd, 2010, 05:27 AM   #101
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Praque is great and beats all to dust but Rome.
Rome is a superweight competitor with over 2 thousand years
history of classy architecture. No other city in Europe can match it.
Then Paris, Vienna, Madrid, Lisbon and Budapest.
The rest is of lower league.
I don't really disagree, except that you're sort of putting Rome over Paris. I just don't agree with Rome over Paris, and I've been in Rome and not in Paris. In my mind, Rome was a bit overrated (even if it is also amazing) and to me, it seems like you're putting waaay too much weight on all the history. What is history if the city today isn't so great?

Not that Rome is "bad" really. I'm just saying Paris is a greater city in today's world.
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 12:50 PM   #102
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Paris
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 01:24 PM   #103
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Can't really apreciate cities I did not visit, so here is my list with the capitals I saw:

1. Budapest
2. Wien
3. Madrid
4. Bratislava
5. Bucuresti
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 01:35 PM   #104
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1-Prague (by far)
2-Paris
3-Wien
4-Madrid
5-Bucharest if the hystorical centre will be rebuilt as it was before the communism
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 03:19 PM   #105
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I think it's unfair to judge when Norway before the second world war was more or less always among the poor and less developed nations of western Europe. We started "blooming" and becoming rich in the 1970s. A consequence of this late bloom (where Sweden/Stockholm bloomed in the 1600s to 1800s) is what you see in Oslo today, a historical center that is not comparable to other European capitals. *But* it has a reason, actually!
Actually Oslo's main blooming period was the 1880s and 1890s when a huge boom led to most of the city as we see it today. Most people wouldnt consider the architecture of those days modern but the centre has a higher concentration of 20th century buildings than the rest of the city. Presumably, thats why sometimes tourists consider Oslo essentially modern.
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 03:28 PM   #106
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Yes, but we weren't even then part of the prosperous western Europe, in my opinion. Even if there was a boom.

And I guess(ed) that's why most of the buildings of that time was more moderate/simpler versions of buildings further south.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 01:44 PM   #107
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i'm in barcelona these weeks and as always I'm shocked with horrendous buildings that make up most of this city. The modern and contemporary speculation that have filled most of cerda's grid really are to cry about and it's shocking to see how this ugly monster continues to demolish the villages from the inside.

http://maps.google.nl/maps?f=q&sourc...32.04,,0,13.87

The gothic centre is really pretty, the villages are too, I'm really fond of Gracia, but uffff, sometimes it's hard to support so much insensitivity while everyone is praising how pretty barcelona is.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 02:25 PM   #108
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Brussels is sooo underrated!
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 02:49 PM   #109
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actually it is, though especially by belgians
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:04 PM   #110
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I found Brussels to be rather unspectacular. It was very boring. It's not ugly, but not very interesting either. And Barcelona is beautiful. There are yucky areas in every city. I could post pictures of some of the horrendous commie blocks in Prague, or some of the ghettos in Paris, but that doesn't mean the city itself is ugly.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 09:41 PM   #111
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Old July 4th, 2010, 05:29 AM   #112
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Yes, but we weren't even then part of the prosperous western Europe, in my opinion. Even if there was a boom.

And I guess(ed) that's why most of the buildings of that time was more moderate/simpler versions of buildings further south.
In your opinion? Have you checked the GDP figures. Between 1843 and 1875 Norway had one of the fastest growth rates in Europe.

It is interesting that you equate quality of building facades with prosperity as it was the south that started economically stagnating relative to the north during the industrialisation period. Either these are unrelated or you overestimate southern architecture from this period.

Also, I have never heard late 19th century buildings in Oslo critiscised for being too simple, mostly they have been criticised for being too exuberant. What seems to have failed in this period was rather city planning as the city developed too fast and in a slightly too laissez-faire and speculative manner.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #113
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Okay, but relax joamox - I guess you're SSC's expert on the history of Oslo and/or Norways cities. The reason why we got into that discussion was merely because I tried to explain that Oslo gets a lot of unfair criticism only because we don't have those classic and baroque, heavily ornamental, European buildings.

And I was trying to say that I think it's unfair that just because we don't have that extravagant architecture, those avenues and grand city planning, our city supposedly (according to many) is boring, and has nothing to offer, only because of that... That's how this discussion started. So I think we went off on the wrong foot here.

And anyway, this discussion is quite a bit off topic so I don't think I will continue engaging in it.
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Old July 4th, 2010, 03:32 PM   #114
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1. Amsterdam
2. Stockholm
3. Vienna
4. Prague
5. Rome
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Old July 6th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #115
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It's really hard if not impossible to make lists. Cities are (to me at least) so hard to compare. I could try to make a list, but it would really depend on my mood.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #116
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Old July 6th, 2010, 02:34 PM   #117
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I come there every year, so I guess there must be a reason for it.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 04:24 PM   #118
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Defenitely Amsterdam

2 Prague
3 Brussel
4 Rome
5 Paris
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:18 PM   #119
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I think Edinburgh is worthy of a place in the top ten.
Definitely, parts of London are stunning too.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 11:50 PM   #120
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Paris (1) and Prague (2).
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