Liverpool v Leeds

[Skychaser 2005]

Originally Posted by MattN

The rest of it was addressed at legolamb. I do however notice you make similar posts very often, and I can't help but think that it annoys people more than it attracts them to Leeds.

Generally I suspect that whatever a city's cultural offer, a very low proportion of its residents' time is spent indulging in it.

What are you talking about. I live in Leeds and have used many of the attractions I quoted especially with my family and particularly when the kids were younger or when we go out with friends to the theatre/concerts/events etc etc.

[legolamb]

Originally Posted by MattN

Skychaser does have an annoying habit of regurgitating the same old list in a certain manner, but come on. You ignore all the others, most of which are very much rooted in Leeds, to focus on that.

Nothing whatsoever to do with a gigantic chip on your shoulder.

They aren't 'rooted' in Leeds IMO. I've explained why I believe this is the case and given a shortlist of Leeds cultural exports and 'institutions' which I find to be far more important and insightful signifiers of the city's identity.

No need to get personal.

[yoshef]

Originally Posted by Skychaser 2005

Perhaps if you had the Northern Ballet based in Liverpool, you would be!!

Ballet and statistics, putting a sock down Leeds' tights.

[legolamb]

Originally Posted by Skychaser 2005

Perhaps if you had the Northern Ballet based in Liverpool, you would be!!

Please explain to the readers (without displaying your unpleasantly hostile streak) how the Northern Ballet reflects the culture, history and identity of your city in comparison to, say, a pan of Scouse for Liverpool?

[WestYorks2Manchester]

Originally Posted by Skychaser 2005

Whether Manchester has 10 areas covering bars/clubs/restaurants in its city centre, and Leeds has 2 which is not true now we have Granary Wharf, Brewery Wharf, Clarence Dock and of course the exciting development of the Arena Quarter opening a whole new area of Leeds city centre to restaurants/bars etc, Manc only ranks a little higher than Leeds (£974 m against £924 m)

Once again, the positive things I have said about Leeds have been ignored! I do have an affinity to Leeds you know. I want it to do well but I'm also honest.

I know Leeds has the waterfront destinations but they are not very busy and they are not large. I'm talking about larger more established areas where you could spend a whole night! You do know there are restaurants, bars and clubs in the borough of Salford 'within' Manchester city centre where there are restaurants, bars and clubs? Popular clubs at that. In particular Venus where there are dance events/nights and also Bijou which is full of celebrities?

I'm actually surprised too that the City Of Birmingham is as high as that although there are clearly more restaurants, bars and clubs than in Leeds. The list posted is of individual boroughs though! Those people that know of the restaurants, bars and clubs & the nightlife in Manchester will know just how big the nightlife areas combined are and the number of establishments!

Like I've said though, regardless of size, Leeds has one of the best nightlifes in the UK and also one of the best in Europe, better than Amsterdam, Stockholm or Prague for example. That's for me though.

[Skychaser 2005]

Originally Posted by legolamb

Please explain to the readers (without displaying your unpleasantly hostile streak) how the Northern Ballet reflects the culture, history and identity of your city in comparison to, say, a pan of Scouse for Liverpool?

Well Legolamb, if you google LIVERPOOL CULTRE, this is what Liverpool City Council say of your culture:

culture

Liverpool oozes culture and heritage. The city has a glorious past as a mercantile hub and gateway to the New World, but today it is also a key destination for art lovers, fans of the theatre and museumgoers.

But the city has numerous permanent art attractions too. Visit the Walker Art Gallery, the national gallery of the North – ask at reception for a helpful guide to the highlights, including works by Hockney, Degas, Turner and Rembrandt, all of which are housed on the first floor.

• Galleries • Museums • Theatres • Music Venues •


Thats a city's CULTURE........Get it!! Now do you want to re-iterate Leeds long list of culture/heritage??

[MattN]

Originally Posted by legolamb

They aren't 'rooted' in Leeds IMO. I've explained why I believe this is the case and given a shortlist of Leeds cultural exports and 'institutions' which I find to be far more important and insightful signifiers of the city's identity.

No need to get personal.

Temple Newsam/Lotherton Hall are preserved old stately homes, and they have always been where they are. The parkland around them is pretty much part of Leeds culture, especially Temple Newsam. Kirkstall Abbey is about the oldest building in Leeds and has been visited by Leeds people for recreation for a very long time. The museum over the road is also about aspects of Leeds' social history. A lot of Leeds Museum is all about the city itself. Armley Mills is all about the city's industrial history. Thwaite Mills is an ancient Leeds manufacturing site preserved more or less as it was, and had changed little in much of its working life. Henry Moore was from Castleford, no more distant than Beverley or other places which Hullensians on this forum often claim to be part of Hull or closely linked with it. Shamefully I've never visited the Thackray Museum but it claims to have a Victorian Leeds perspective on medical history.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Skychaser 2005

Well Legolamb, if you google LIVERPOOL CULTRE, this is what Liverpool City Council say of your culture:

culture

Liverpool oozes culture and heritage. The city has a glorious past as a mercantile hub and gateway to the New World, but today it is also a key destination for art lovers, fans of the theatre and museumgoers.

But the city has numerous permanent art attractions too. Visit the Walker Art Gallery, the national gallery of the North – ask at reception for a helpful guide to the highlights, including works by Hockney, Degas, Turner and Rembrandt, all of which are housed on the first floor.

• Galleries • Museums • Theatres • Music Venues •


Thats a city's CULTURE........Get it!! Now do you want to re-iterate Leeds long list of culture/heritage??

You're defining the culture of a city purely by amenities & festivals? Pretty narrow spectrum to be using, don't you think?

[Aaronj09]

Culture isn't just amenities and festivals, but they are part of a city's culture.

[legolamb]

Amenities and leisure options don't reflect a city's culture,
they just reflect it's amenities and leisure options.

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by legolamb

Amenities and leisure options don't reflect a city's culture,
they just reflect it's amenities and leisure options.

And there's nothing in that list over and above that we don't have anyway,stately homes,the amount of city centre theatres,big festivals,museums etc...

The European Capital of Culture events had 15 Million visitors so they say and the Biennial's biggest attendance was 900,000,the biggest outside of London and it gave us Antony Gormley's Another Place,yes everyone has them claims,very often more than one city has the same claim I might add.Recently our giant puppets got 800,000 visitors just the other month and the new Museum of Liverpool (yes it's about the city) hit the million visitors mark in less than a year.Big events,The MTV Music Awards,The Sterling Prize,The Turner Prize....

And as for films,the city has featured in Harry Potter, Chariots of Fire, Captain America, The Hunt For Red October, Indiana Jones, Godzilla, The 51st State, In the Name Of The Father, Sherlock Holmes, The Dark Knight, Alfie....

You're spot on there Legolamb by the way,It's also worth noting that any given council will big up its city to sound like some amazing utopia when in reality they aren't,they're simply selling their respective city and selling their strong points,you don't have to be taken in by it skychaser.

[Toadboy]

Liverpool oozes culture.

Other cities have theatres and museums to offer them culture.

[albionfagan]

Some authentic Monet being displayed in Liverpool today, sorry but Leeds just doesn't offer anything like Liverpool can in terms of that kind of thing, certainly not on a regular basis.

[MattN]

So does Monet count then? What's he got to do with Liverpool?

[Toadboy]

Originally Posted by MattN

So does Monet count then? What's he got to do with Liverpool?

Eh?

Have you never seen "On the bank of the Alt, Bootle" or "Jardin à New Brighton"?

Philistine.

[Skychaser 2005]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Some authentic Monet being displayed in Liverpool today, sorry but Leeds just doesn't offer anything like Liverpool can in terms of that kind of thing, certainly not on a regular basis.

Then you have never been in Leeds Art Gallery, or Harewood House or indeed Temple Newsam House. Monet's by the dozen there!

[albionfagan]

Authentic, I doubt it.

This is the first time his 5 water lilies have ever been shown in the UK all together.

[Portobello Red]

[Medi73#!]

Leeds has an opera house but in Liverpool I have seen opera on the Empire Theatre which is a very large theatre, and as big as any opera house. additionally Liverpool has two large excellent theatres, in the Everyman and the Playhouse, and I'm off to the medium sized Unity Theatre on Saturday. You can also see and hear classical concerts on the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Hall, and we have the internationally renowned modernist Tate art gallery as well as the traditional Walker Art Gallery housing a massive collection, including Pre Raphaelites, Impressionists Seventeenth and Eighteenth Century as well as Renaissance art as well as holding frequent major exhibitions and the John Moore's Prize. So to say Liverpool only has 'popular' culture would be wrong, there's loads of 'highbrow' stuff to do in Liverpool.

[Scarecrow]

Yes, and there's Anfield for the slack-jawed troggs, too.

Something for everyone!