Liverpool v Leeds - Page 3

wiggleyleeds · June 2nd, 2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VoldemortBlack

Well maybe you're right; but that doesn't shadow the fact that Liverpool has more iconic buildings and REASONS for tourists to visit than Leeds AND Manchester collectively. The Liver Building and the Beatle's Tour to name just a few.

totally agree, as I already did state. However the reality is more people do indeed visit places such as manchester or leeds.

total overnight visitor numbers (overseas + uk residents)

1 London 10,959,000
2 Manchester 2,490,000
3 Birmingham 2,287,000
4 Bristol 1,825,000
6 Leeds 1,436,000
8 Newcastle upon Tyne 1,298,000
9 Liverpool 1,257,000
10 York 1,247,000

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Leeds isn't really that type of place I would imagine people wanting to take a 'city break' to.

except many more people do. Wheather we like it or not, most people go to another city for the weekend primarily for evenings out (restaurants, cafes, bars, theatre), mixed in with daytime shopping sprees.

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Yeah it's got bars and restaurants and all that, but so does every city! There's nothing really special or unique to Leeds that people would want to visit or experience.

you could say the same about manchester over liverpool too. Manchester has such a high visitor number but what the hell are they going there for. It's offer isnt exceptionally different to other cities. shopping nightlife and museums. But the reality is, people do prefer it. (and yes i do know manchester has much more on offer than leeds.)

anyway i do actually agree with your viewpoint btw.

Reds · June 2nd, 2010, 06:25 PM

Could you provide a link to your visitor numbers please Wiggleyleeds?

Not for anything to do with this debate, it is something that interests me.

Manc Guy · June 2nd, 2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

My point was Liverpool has the sea. But Leeds has an extensive canal network within the city that is flanked with many mill conversion apartments, cafes, restuarants, hotels, and bars, with different areas giving unique social or living scenes such as The Calls, clarence dock, granary wharf, brewery wharf etc. Liverpool doesnt have that to such an extent.

Albert dock?

jrb · June 2nd, 2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

totally agree, as I already did state. However the reality is more people do indeed visit places such as manchester or leeds.

total overnight visitor numbers (overseas + uk residents)

1 London 10,959,000
2 Manchester 2,490,000
3 Birmingham 2,287,000
4 Bristol 1,825,000
6 Leeds 1,436,000
8 Newcastle upon Tyne 1,298,000
9 Liverpool 1,257,000
10 York 1,247,000

except many more people do. Wheather we like it or not, most people go to another city for the weekend primarily for evenings out (restaurants, cafes, bars, theatre), mixed in with daytime shopping sprees.

you could say the same about manchester over liverpool too. Manchester has such a high visitor number but what the hell are they going there for. It's offer isnt exceptionally different to other cities. shopping nightlife and museums. But the reality is, people do prefer it. (and yes i do know manchester has much more on offer than leeds.)

anyway i do actually agree with your viewpoint btw.

Factor out Manchester Airport overnight stays.

-1.

Scarecrow · June 2nd, 2010, 07:47 PM

Also, Leeds is a through-station. Lime St is a terminus. You do not (really) have to travel through Liverpool to reach anywhere else. Visitors by train are gonna warp Wiggleys 'facts' aren't they?

yoshef · June 2nd, 2010, 08:31 PM

There's a trend here. Who can spot it?

Code:

UK Residents (000s)
		2000	2008
Leeds		1,339	1,464	9%
Liverpool	687	1088	58%

inbound (000s)

		2000	2007
Liverpool	190	544	186%
Leeds		-	301	

Total spend
		2000	2007	
Liverpool	46m	197m	328%
Leeds		40m	71m	78%

belfastuniguy · June 2nd, 2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

total overnight visitor numbers (overseas + uk residents)

1 London 10,959,000
2 Manchester 2,490,000
3 Birmingham 2,287,000
4 Bristol 1,825,000
6 Leeds 1,436,000
8 Newcastle upon Tyne 1,298,000
9 Liverpool 1,257,000
10 York 1,247,000

Where's that from because Belfast should be 5th with 1.6 million

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Figures released by the Belfast Visitor and Convention Bureau (BVCB) indicate out-of-state visitors increased by 41 per cent to 2.2 million, while the number of those staying overnight increased by 11 per cent to 1.6 million, generating £437 million for the capital overall.

That was released in 2009 for 2008. Figures have increased since then, looking for figures now.

kids · June 2nd, 2010, 09:02 PM

well he's left out 5 and 7, Belfast and Glasgow?

belfastuniguy · June 2nd, 2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kids

well he's left out 5 and 7, Belfast and Glasgow?

hhhmmmmm maybe, didn't see 7 was also missed though for some reason I imagined Glasgow being ranked higher than 7th.

kids · June 2nd, 2010, 09:36 PM

You'd think Edinburgh would be up there too... Hmmmmm indeed

JamesWales · June 2nd, 2010, 10:44 PM

This is the latest data on the number of stays by overseas visitors.

This can't be seen entirely as a list of culturally popular places, as much relates to business stays or airport stays, but it's still useful data.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/ttdsreg0709.pdf

1 London 14,753,000
2 Edinburgh 1,191,000
3 Manchester 889,000
4 Birmingham 763,000
5 Glasgow 623,000
6 Liverpool 553,000
7 Bristol 492,000
8 Oxford 437,000
9 Cambridge 382,000
10 Cardiff 342,000

12 Leeds 326,000

Richard_A · June 2nd, 2010, 11:48 PM

Wibble.

Butterfield · June 3rd, 2010, 12:00 AM

Out of the two, as a tourist I would only want to go to Liverpool as it has so much more history that would interest me. Plus it's in an interesting setting whereas I'm not even sure what the geography of Leeds is like.

wiggleyleeds · June 3rd, 2010, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

Where's that from because Belfast should be 5th with 1.6 million

Figures compiled from Visit England, the government's regional tourism agency and only relate to English cities. Edinburgh would be right near the top, as would glasgow. Oh, and it is overnight visits, which has nothing to do with passing-people through train stations.

AndrewC · June 3rd, 2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

Figures compiled from Visit England, the government's regional tourism agency and only relate to English cities. Edinburgh would be right near the top, as would glasgow.

So which cities were in the missing slots?

wiggleyleeds · June 3rd, 2010, 01:49 AM

There was no missing slots because the data was only compiled for the English cities!

Other forum posters on here are pointing out that if the data was compiled to include the whole UK, then evidently places like edinburgh and glasgow would be up near the top in such a list.

belfastuniguy · June 3rd, 2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

There was no missing slots because the data was only compiled for the English cities!

Other forum posters on here are pointing out that if the data was compiled to include the whole UK, then evidently places like edinburgh and glasgow would be up near the top in such a list.

There are missing English Cities, two in fact.

1 London 10,959,000
2 Manchester 2,490,000
3 Birmingham 2,287,000
4 Bristol 1,825,000
WHERE'S FIVE
6 Leeds 1,436,000
WHERE'S SEVEN
8 Newcastle upon Tyne 1,298,000
9 Liverpool 1,257,000
10 York 1,247,000

AndrewC · June 3rd, 2010, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

1 London 10,959,000
2 Manchester 2,490,000
3 Birmingham 2,287,000
4 Bristol 1,825,000
6 Leeds 1,436,000
8 Newcastle upon Tyne 1,298,000
9 Liverpool 1,257,000
10 York 1,247,000

So 5 and 7 are the likes of Edinburgh, Glasgow? What do you mean, 'its compiled for English cities'? Be clearer.

Edit: Belfastuniguy has beaten me to it.

AndrewC · June 3rd, 2010, 01:56 AM

I also still don't see a source for your table wiggley.

wiggleyleeds · June 3rd, 2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Manc Guy

Albert dock?

Albert dock is great, and is part of what you get being a port city, but my assertion still stands, this unique type of 'value added' is different to the type of 'value added' found in city centres that have extensive canal systems splitting through the city centre. The point was liverpool, being on the sea has the bonus and advantage of the social & living scenes created by the sea and the docks, whilst its easy to forget places such as leeds (or indeed manchester) has the bonus and advantage of the intimate living and vibrant social scenes created by the canals running through the city centre..

open dock type settings:.

canal type settings:

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June 2nd, 2010, 07:47 PM	#45
Scarecrow Revolutionary Man Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Outside Society Posts: 7,166 Likes (Received): 106	Also, Leeds is a through-station. Lime St is a terminus. You do not (really) have to travel through Liverpool to reach anywhere else. Visitors by train are gonna warp Wiggleys 'facts' aren't they? __________________ SSC is Full of Bad Wools

June 2nd, 2010, 08:31 PM	#46
yoshef I like beer. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In your face Posts: 10,450 Likes (Received): 97	There's a trend here. Who can spot it? Code: UK Residents (000s) 2000 2008 Leeds 1,339 1,464 9% Liverpool 687 1088 58% inbound (000s) 2000 2007 Liverpool 190 544 186% Leeds - 301 Total spend 2000 2007 Liverpool 46m 197m 328% Leeds 40m 71m 78%

June 2nd, 2010, 11:48 PM	#52
Richard_A Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,289 Likes (Received): 0	Wibble. Last edited by Richard_A; June 2nd, 2010 at 11:54 PM.

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June 2nd, 2010, 06:25 PM	#42
Reds Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 162 Likes (Received): 0	Could you provide a link to your visitor numbers please Wiggleyleeds? Not for anything to do with this debate, it is something that interests me.

June 2nd, 2010, 09:02 PM	#48
kids Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,764 Likes (Received): 75	well he's left out 5 and 7, Belfast and Glasgow?

June 2nd, 2010, 09:36 PM	#50
kids Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,764 Likes (Received): 75	You'd think Edinburgh would be up there too... Hmmmmm indeed

June 2nd, 2010, 10:44 PM	#51
JamesWales Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: City of Cardiff Posts: 2,151 Likes (Received): 0	This is the latest data on the number of stays by overseas visitors. This can't be seen entirely as a list of culturally popular places, as much relates to business stays or airport stays, but it's still useful data. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/ttdsreg0709.pdf 1 London 14,753,000 2 Edinburgh 1,191,000 3 Manchester 889,000 4 Birmingham 763,000 5 Glasgow 623,000 6 Liverpool 553,000 7 Bristol 492,000 8 Oxford 437,000 9 Cambridge 382,000 10 Cardiff 342,000 12 Leeds 326,000

June 3rd, 2010, 12:00 AM	#53
Butterfield lime-hating shrublet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: British Leyland Posts: 18,556 Likes (Received): 222	Out of the two, as a tourist I would only want to go to Liverpool as it has so much more history that would interest me. Plus it's in an interesting setting whereas I'm not even sure what the geography of Leeds is like.

June 3rd, 2010, 01:49 AM	#56
wiggleyleeds wiggledypiggleypuddinghed Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 10,609 Likes (Received): 20	There was no missing slots because the data was only compiled for the English cities! Other forum posters on here are pointing out that if the data was compiled to include the whole UK, then evidently places like edinburgh and glasgow would be up near the top in such a list.

June 3rd, 2010, 01:56 AM	#59
AndrewC Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sheffield Posts: 11,903 Likes (Received): 1	I also still don't see a source for your table wiggley.