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Old September 12th, 2011, 07:22 AM   #1161
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Old September 12th, 2011, 07:39 AM   #1162
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Very glad to see the pools running without that damn swirl effect.
Right? I guess I'm not the only one who thought that.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 03:48 PM   #1163
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Question: does anyone know why the Tribute in Light is located so many blocks away and not at the wtc site?
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Old September 12th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #1164
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10 years and one day after September 11 2001 World Trade Center Plaza is open again










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Question: does anyone know why the Tribute in Light is located so many blocks away and not at the wtc site?
9/11 Memorial and Tribute in Light have different organisators and despite this - it would be hard to put these reflectors in Ground Zero during construction.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #1165
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I had no idea that there were lights embedded in the ground like that, very cool!
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Old September 12th, 2011, 05:20 PM   #1166
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WTC site then, now and in the future..Some interesting info..Check it out..

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/...129347043.html
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Old September 12th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #1167
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Amazing rare pics from the site..

http://project.wnyc.org/culture/911-...tos/index.html
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Old September 12th, 2011, 05:45 PM   #1168
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I had no idea that there were lights embedded in the ground like that, very cool!
The World Trade Center Memorial Plaza does not have embedded lights. Rather, the image posted by desertpunk is nearby Zuccotti Park.

And I guess there are no lights in the voids of the pools after all. There's something light-colored down there that looks like lights during the day before the floor dries after the water is drained. While it would be cool to see what they would look like with lights, I believe it's more fitting that they remain black voids.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #1169
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Best.Memorial.Ever.

Would love to come and see the place in real life someday.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #1170
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ohh i see, that picture of Zuccotti Park is very misleading then, since this is The Memorial thread. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #1171
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In that last pic, at the VSC, it looks like there is a small green "lake" in it, like at Deutsche Bank. Is that what it is? Also, when will they put more steel there?
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Old September 12th, 2011, 11:14 PM   #1172
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In that last pic, at the VSC, it looks like there is a small green "lake" in it, like at Deutsche Bank. Is that what it is? Also, when will they put more steel there?
I believe that "green" is just rebar. I could be wrong. There was water in the Deutsche site for a time. The color was do to certain materials/chemicals in the ground. With the anniversary behind us, construction will get back to normal. I'm sure new steel will show up soon.

How cool is it though to look at the webcams and see people walking around the memorial. Love it.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 11:30 PM   #1173
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For those, who did not watch the tv coverage

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Old September 13th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #1174
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Something that occurred to me after seeing people finally visiting the pools... the design of the fountains defines how they will be experienced.

People will experience the fountains by standing and most will lean over the bronze name plates. This differs from most other fountains in the world, which are designed for people to get close and comfortable with. At this memorial, it isn't possible to sit and observe, or even lean agaist a railing and conveniently gaze.

This isn't necessarilly criticism. Perhaps it is better that they are large and unapproachable, always being just out of reach but powerful at the same time. You can't just sit and spend time with the fountains. Instead you must stand and actively maintain the at arm's reach leaning posture.

Hopefully that describes the vibe I think they will impart without seeming disrespectful or critical. I find it interesting to ponder how memorial designs affect our perception or mood while visiting the site.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #1175
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After watching yesterday's moving coverage of the 10th anniversary ceremonies a thought occurred to me. Hope I don't get slammed too bad for this but here goes:

Almost every network covering the event still refers to the WTC site as "Ground Zero", so here's a proposal- Change the official name of the memorial to "The National 9/11 Ground Zero Memorial at the New World Trade Center". This way those who want to keep "ground zero" in the name can have their wish while at the same time referring to the fact that this is the NEW World Trade Center. What are your thoughts? (Yes I know that is kind of a long name).
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:10 AM   #1176
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:26 AM   #1177
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:31 AM   #1178
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After watching yesterday's moving coverage of the 10th anniversary ceremonies a thought occurred to me. Hope I don't get slammed too bad for this but here goes:

Almost every network covering the event still refers to the WTC site as "Ground Zero", so here's a proposal- Change the official name of the memorial to "The National 9/11 Ground Zero Memorial at the New World Trade Center". This way those who want to keep "ground zero" in the name can have their wish while at the same time referring to the fact that this is the NEW World Trade Center. What are your thoughts? (Yes I know that is kind of a long name).
With all respect, I think that's not a very good idea. The WTC has changed so much, that it isn't Ground Zero anymore. I say keep the name it has; it's a good one. Let those that wrongly call it Ground Zero call it that, and hope that they will learn better. Either way, in a few years when the entire site is complete and beautiful again, no one'll dare call it Ground Zero again. Cheers
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:35 AM   #1179
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Something that occurred to me after seeing people finally visiting the pools... the design of the fountains defines how they will be experienced.

People will experience the fountains by standing and most will lean over the bronze name plates. This differs from most other fountains in the world, which are designed for people to get close and comfortable with. At this memorial, it isn't possible to sit and observe, or even lean agaist a railing and conveniently gaze.

This isn't necessarilly criticism. Perhaps it is better that they are large and unapproachable, always being just out of reach but powerful at the same time. You can't just sit and spend time with the fountains. Instead you must stand and actively maintain the at arm's reach leaning posture.

Hopefully that describes the vibe I think they will impart without seeming disrespectful or critical. I find it interesting to ponder how memorial designs affect our perception or mood while visiting the site.
Not to take away from your "feeling", but the main reason there is the difference you talk about is because technically these are waterfalls, not fountains. And I'm not talking about the grammar, but about the risks (and therefore needed precautions) associated with each thing.
A fountain where you can get up close and personal, is one that doesn't have any major risks, other than getting yourself wet.
The risks with this waterfall are obviously different, since you could easily fall down it injuring yourself, or in the worst case scenario, die (given the height).
Creating a large parapet like the one done at the memorial, ensures you don't accidentally fall into it in any way (but still can if you wanted to) without blocking it out completely with a rail or glass wall, like you would have to if the wall was any smaller.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:47 AM   #1180
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