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Old September 13th, 2011, 03:21 AM   #1181
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^ I'm glad Arad made the parapets long at a reasonable size. I remember Zen saying the parapets were going to be 10' 11" wide, but accordint to a letter sent by Joe Woolhead to the forumer RKOwens, the parapets will be 8' wide, making the pools 192' overall. If that is the correct information, I'm glad they took that number, it protects people from any accident but doesn't make you feel like very well protected.

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Old September 13th, 2011, 05:02 AM   #1182
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With all respect, I think that's not a very good idea. The WTC has changed so much, that it isn't Ground Zero anymore. I say keep the name it has; it's a good one. Let those that wrongly call it Ground Zero call it that, and hope that they will learn better. Either way, in a few years when the entire site is complete and beautiful again, no one'll dare call it Ground Zero again. Cheers
I agree, the name "Ground Zero" really needs to go.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 05:20 AM   #1183
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Here's a few from my visit today:

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Old September 13th, 2011, 05:40 AM   #1184
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good topic

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Old September 13th, 2011, 06:33 AM   #1185
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Not to take away from your "feeling", but the main reason there is the difference you talk about is because technically these are waterfalls, not fountains. And I'm not talking about the grammar, but about the risks (and therefore needed precautions) associated with each thing.
A fountain where you can get up close and personal, is one that doesn't have any major risks, other than getting yourself wet.
The risks with this waterfall are obviously different, since you could easily fall down it injuring yourself, or in the worst case scenario, die (given the height).
Creating a large parapet like the one done at the memorial, ensures you don't accidentally fall into it in any way (but still can if you wanted to) without blocking it out completely with a rail or glass wall, like you would have to if the wall was any smaller.
You seem focused on justifying the design.

I wasn't saying it is designed wrong but rather commenting on the experience people will have when at the memorial fountains. It is a unique experience for fountains in a public space. The more I think about it, the more appropriate it seems. It is massive, just out of reach, partially hidden from view, and must be actively approached to see the constant but serene power. It provides an almost intangible ambiance that affects how people will build a relationship with this emotionally charged place.

But you're right, safety is an interesting topic as well. It doesn't seem that safety concerns alone necessitate the current design. Everywhere in the world you will find railings, which if fallen over, would result in a lethal fall. For example, upper decks at sports stadiums.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 09:43 AM   #1186
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impressive memorial

the form, the water falls,the location (exactly at the place ) all contributes to give it a very special feeling.

yes we know what happened but this artictic intervention is the perfect thing to do.

It creates a very special emotional feeling. i love the poesy with the name and the falls.

Congratulations to the author of this artisctic memorial who have founded the best thing to do there.

R.I.P to the victims and all the best for NYC future
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #1187
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New York's new 9/11 Memorial is designed to blend mourning and vitality at the heart of a bustling financial district

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Each pool will be edged on all four sides by gossamer-thin waterfalls spilling from 8-foot-wide channels at the plaza level. These Niagaras of grief will cascade perpetually, alluding in a subtle way to the collapse of the towers.
The outer edge of each of the memorial pools, including the parapets and nameplates, is 192 feet. Each pool is in turn ringed by a row of trees measuring 212 by 212 feet, exactly marking the outer edge of each tower
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Old September 13th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #1188
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I love the moiré patterns created by the waterfalls in shots like the one above.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 06:07 PM   #1189
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Does anyone know what the procedure is to visit the falls? I understand you need to get some sort of tickets - is that true?
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Old September 13th, 2011, 06:11 PM   #1190
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Just checked and found it here:

http://visit.911memorial.org/WebStor...=WSCG&C=TKTCAT

very limited availability for the rest of the year
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Old September 13th, 2011, 07:19 PM   #1191
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I think that the memorial looks great, very powerful!
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Old September 13th, 2011, 07:22 PM   #1192
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I agree, the name "Ground Zero" really needs to go.
It will never go away. I know it should, but the memory of the place as well as the horrible enormity of it will not allow to get rid of it.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #1193
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That may be true, but I don't think people will call it that in 5 years, when it is 3 supertall skyscrapers.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #1194
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i'm in france but i fell a very strange & emotional feeling by viewing all this area of NYC under construction.

It has its sad history but strong capacity to defy the events (the project reflects that mentality)

I don't know if one day in NYC i will visit it! There's lot of death every year every where on earth...i don't know the people for sure . but this artistic waterfalls influences me strongly in my vision of this part of NYC.

just incredible!
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Old September 14th, 2011, 12:32 AM   #1195
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Old September 14th, 2011, 12:45 AM   #1196
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The Memorial Glade:
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Old September 14th, 2011, 05:17 AM   #1197
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This could end up being one of the most legendary public places of all time.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 08:38 PM   #1198
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This could end up being one of the most legendary public places of all time.
I just hope it doesn't become too "touristy".
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Old September 14th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #1199
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This is most likely not avoidable..Everyone would like to see new towers and the memorial..I know I would travel in NY only because of that..Which, I think, is not a bad thing..It's a huge space..If we forget about the purpose of memorial for a second, waterfalls and all those trees look like someone took them somewhere in California and placed it in the middle of Lower Manhattan..Great thing..
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Old September 15th, 2011, 02:35 AM   #1200
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THE NEW SENTINELS - 9/11 MEMORIAL MUSEUM by W安DערL المتحدة الولاياتT PHOTO , on Flickr

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INTO THE VOID - 9/11 MEMORIAL by W安DערL المتحدة الولاياتT PHOTO , on Flickr

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COUNT THE COST - 9/11 MEMORIAL by W安DערL المتحدة الولاياتT PHOTO , on Flickr

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NORTH POOL - 9/11 MEMORIAL by W安DערL المتحدة الولاياتT PHOTO , on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: scaffolding along the north side of the North Memorial Pool, closest to the construction site of the new One World Trade Center (IMG_1693) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: construction men working outside the future 9/11 Museum (IMG_1690) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: Father Mychal Judge's name is on the South Memorial Pool, just to the left of the pool's southwest corner (IMG_1687) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: this way to the North Memorial Pool (IMG_1660) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: electronic directory home screen (IMG_1662) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: electronic directories next to the future 9/11 Museum, where you can go to find the location of a loved one's name (IMG_1661) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: on the site of the original Vista Hotel, looking towards the North Memorial Pool (IMG_1657) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: looking west along the north edge of the North Memorial Pool, you can see how close the construction site of the new One World Trade Center is (IMG_1641) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: North Memorial Pool (site of original 1 WTC), looking southwest (IMG_1640) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: winding our way through the streets of Lower Manhattan to get to the Memorial (IMG_1603) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: waiting on line to enter - to reduce crowding, admissions are on a timed basis (IMG_1600) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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National 9/11 Memorial, 09/12/11: sign inside the Preview Site explaining that all visitor passes for today have been issued (IMG_1586) by Gary Dunaier, on Flickr

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