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Old August 29th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #1621
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Artifacts from the debris, some columns, wrecked cars, pictures, etc.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 02:59 AM   #1622
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http://www.video-monitoring.com/cons...itv/silver.htmI don't know if anyone has realized but if you look on the KPI cam you can see they have begun placing grass infront of the Vents and by One WTC!
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Old August 30th, 2012, 08:11 PM   #1623
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Well spotted. But it looks like they didn't plant new grass, but distribute it around the already planted trees.

Don't know the reason for this, but maybe they want to cover the brown spots for the 9/11 celebrations so that the memorial looks nicer?!
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Old September 4th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #1624
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What are you implying?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #1625
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Not at all, the Museum's mission is to honor the nearly 3,000 lives lost in both 9/11 and 2/26 events, focusing primarly on the impact and consecuences rather than explaining the causes. The museum as a whole, along with the memorial, try to denote the triumph of human values over inhumanity.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #1626
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Old September 9th, 2012, 10:35 PM   #1627
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http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...museum-opening

This needs to be resolved, once and for all. Come on guys (meaning Cuomo and Bloomberg) get your act together!!
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Old September 10th, 2012, 07:13 AM   #1628
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Wow. So the museum won't be ready for atleast 2 years.

Which means 3 years, so we are looking at a possible opening on September 11, 2015.

This construction is a joke.

http://www.examiner.com/article/9-11-museum-work-halted

This Tuesday will mark eleven years since the collapse of the Twin Towers. And New Yorkers and families of the victims want to know exactly what is happening with the future 9/11 Memorial and Museum. How long does it take to rebuild? According to mayor Michael Bloomberg, completion of the museum will not be for at least another two years - making it over 13 years of design and construction work.

How long is too long? Families are becoming increasingly disgruntled at the lack of direction the agencies involved with the construction have. And with good reason. The New York Times recently posted an article about the ongoing dispute between Bloomberg's 9/11 Memorial foundation and the NY/NJ government-run Port Authority. The dispute is over control of the museum and which agency will put up the funding for the increasing expenses necessary to construct and maintain the building.

New York and New Jersey governors Andrew Cuomo and Chris Christie are asking for more financial assistance from Bloomberg's foundation, claiming that operating costs will pass the $60 million mark and the "full cost of the museum had ballooned to $1.3 billion."

The decision to create a museum was made in 2004. The plans for the museum indicate the space will be based seven stories below ground where the slurry wall and other architectural landmarks of the area can be seen up close. Included in the museum's collections are remnants of the destruction - from FDNY trucks to personal memorabilia to a ragged yet hope-giving American flag.

Bloomberg is said to have already donated $15 million of his own money and the foundation has collected over $400 million in outside donations. Donations now however, are harder to come by, especially with the controversy surrounding the dueling agencies. After 11 years of bickering between agencies, it's time to finally bring peace to the families affected by the horrendous terrorist acts that took place on our soil. The longer this project is delayed the more it feels like the terrorists are winning.

Mayor Bloomberg says little to no construction has occurred on the site for almost a year. It was first hoped that the site would be completed for the 10th anniversary, and with the 11th anniversary dawning, it's now hoped that everything will be finalized by 2014. Let's hope no further complications and squabbling delay the project even more.

To learn more about the 9/11 Memorial and Museum, visit their website at www.911memorial.org.

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Old September 11th, 2012, 01:59 AM   #1630
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Cuomo and Bloomberg

uuh huh huh huh.....shut up dilrod!!
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Old September 11th, 2012, 07:27 AM   #1631
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Additional info on the museum...

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After nearly a year of discord and delay, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo reached an agreement on Monday to resume construction of the Sept. 11 museum at ground zero in Manhattan.

In negotiations over the weekend, aides to Mr. Bloomberg and Mr. Cuomo resolved longstanding disputes over which government agencies would pay for the costs of the museum and which officials would oversee it. Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey then agreed to the arrangement.

Mr. Christie and Mr. Cuomo share control over the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, while Mr. Bloomberg heads the Sept. 11 foundation, which oversees the national memorial and museum at the former World Trade Center site and the annual commemoration.

“I’m very gratified that on the eve of this important anniversary we are able to announce an agreement that will ensure the completion of the 9/11 museum,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a statement Monday night. He added that the agreement ensured that construction “will be restarted very soon and will not stop until the museum is completed.”

The tentative resolution involves additional cash payments from the Sept. 11 foundation for construction costs, closer coordination among the parties and the creation of an advisory committee to resolve disputes.

The museum, dedicated to documenting the attack and honoring its victims, had been scheduled to open in a formal ceremony on the attack’s 11th anniversary on Tuesday, but construction work largely stopped after the 10th anniversary. Both sides say they are now hoping that the museum, which sits seven stories below street level, will open by the end of 2013, as Mayor Bloomberg’s term ends. Construction is expected to resume by the end of the month.

The 100,000-square-foot museum will contain thousands of artifacts, audiovisual displays, profiles of the victims and photographs of the 19 hijackers.

In a statement Monday night, Mr. Cuomo called the agreement a “milestone” in the rebuilding. “By ensuring that no additional public funds are spent to complete the memorial and the museum,” he said, “today’s agreement puts in place a critical and long overdue safeguard to finally protect toll payers and taxpayers from bearing further costs, and, at the same time, put the project on a path for completion.”

Under the agreement, the foundation will share financial data with the Port Authority and provide $12 million more as needed for construction and as much as $1 million a year for 30 years from any operating surplus, beginning in 2018. It has already contributed $280 million in private donations and more than $330 million in state and federal money toward construction. It has also raised $170 million in private contributions for exhibits and operating expenses.

In addition, the Port Authority will formally transfer ownership of the eight acres that contain the memorial and the museum to the foundation.

The two sides agreed to work together to speed construction and to more closely coordinate events on the memorial plaza, although the foundation will retain control. Still, Monday’s agreement leaves plenty of room for future disputes, because the city and state must now agree on scheduling and other details. Over the last decade, conflicts between prominent officials have repeatedly broken out regarding ground zero.

In fact, the dispute over the museum, which is about 75 percent complete, was a throwback to a time when the rebuilding of the trade center site was marked by political maneuvering, delays and inaction. Today, the site bustles with activity. The central skyscraper, 1 World Trade Center, formerly known as the Freedom Tower, has reached its full height and is expected to open early in 2014. Its developer, Larry Silverstein, is erecting two other towers; the Port Authority is building a transportation center.

The tentative agreement was reached during a conference call among the chief negotiators on both sides: Scott Rechler of the Port Authority, and Larry Schwartz, speaking for Mr. Cuomo; and Joseph Daniels of the foundation and Howard Wolfson and Robert Steel, speaking for Mr. Bloomberg.
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Old September 11th, 2012, 08:14 AM   #1632
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It will take 2 years to get this museum opened. So looks like it will open on Sept 11, 2014
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Old September 11th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #1633
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It will take 2 years to get this museum opened. So looks like it will open on Sept 11, 2014
Here's to hoping that now this dispute, having (FINALLY) been resolved, that they can expedite the remaining construction and still get the museum opened in time for next year's anniversary.
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Here's to hoping that now this dispute, having (FINALLY) been resolved, that they can expedite the remaining construction and still get the museum opened in time for next year's anniversary.
The only way it will open on Sept 11, 2013, is for work to proceed non-stop 24/7 which won't happen.

Look for Sept 11, 2014 opening.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #1635
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Or will it open, as the article says, by the end of 2013 (probably beginning of 2014) and have a proper ceremony on the 9/11 of 2014? I think the sooner they get it ready they will open it to get some money in, at last.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/48995809

World Trade Center museum deal may lead to land sale: sources

(Reuters) - A long-delayed sale of land that is part of the World Trade Center redevelopment could become a reality under a new accord between the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, four sources familiar with the matter said on Tuesday.

The property, called Site 5, could fetch $135 million to $200 million, two of the sources said.

Site 5 is owned by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp, a city-state agency created to rebuild that part of the city after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Across from the World Trade Center, the land had been occupied by the Deutsche Bank building, which was damaged in the attacks and later demolished.

The accord between the Port Authority and National September 11 Memorial & Museum announced on Monday obliges the Lower Manhattan Development Corp to fulfill a 2006 agreement by turning Site 5 over to the Port Authority.

In exchange, the Port Authority would give the museum title to the eight acres of land it and the memorial occupy on the 16-acre (6.5 hectare) World Trade Center site. The memorial honors nearly 3,000 people who perished as a result of the attacks.

"Under the 2006 agreement, it (Site 5) is supposed to be swapped for the eight acres on which the museum and memorial are located," Port Authority Vice Chairman Scott Rechler told Reuters on Tuesday after a service for 84 Port Authority workers who were killed on September 11.

The land swaps were delayed by a political standoff over who would run the annual September 11 anniversary ceremonies held on the memorial plaza, two of the sources said. The sources asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

The governors of New York and New Jersey, who run the Port Authority, wanted more control over the ceremonies.

The annual memorial has been managed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg because he chairs the foundation that runs the museum and memorial, and the city's police are responsible for security.

The deal gives the two sides six months to finalize the land swaps. One of the sources said that if only part of Site 5 were to be transferred to the Port Authority, New York state's Public Authorities Control Board might have to approve the deal, which could complicate the matter.

MORE MONEY FOR PORT AUTHORITY

The Port Authority owns the World Trade Center complex, which it is rebuilding with developer Larry Silverstein. The Port Authority's projects include the underground museum.

Last year, Port Authority stopped building the nearly $1.3 billion museum because it was arguing with the museum foundation over cost overruns.

Monday's accord cleared the way for New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie to attend Tuesday's 11th anniversary ceremony by resolving the cost dispute and creating a coordinating committee to handle such events.

In July, the foundation said politicians would be excluded from speaking roles to focus on victims' families.

The sources said this pressured Christie and Cuomo to reach the accord with Bloomberg on Monday. The deal clears the way for work on the museum to resume in October, Rechler said. The project should be finished by late 2013 or early 2014, he said.

A spokeswoman for Bloomberg declined to comment. Cuomo's spokesmen had no immediate comment, and a spokesman for Christie referred questions to the Port Authority. No politicians spoke at Tuesday's memorial.

Unlike the World Trade Center land, which can only be used for commercial development, Site 5 can be used for apartments, a hotel or offices.

"The site would be most valuable if it supported apartments with a hotel on the lower floors," said Robert Von Ancken, chairman of Landauer Valuation & Advisory, a division of Newmark Grubb Knight Frank.

A combined hotel and apartments could sell for between $135 million and $150 million, based on comparable sales in the area, the height of the building and the market at the time, he said.


The Port Authority could use the cash as it struggles to find funds for the World Trade Center and airport, bridge and tunnel projects.

(Reporting By Joan Gralla; Additional reporting by Ilania Jonas)
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Unfortunately the old 5 WTC thread is closed and in the archives, but a new one can be started once the land is sold and new proposals come up..
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It would be great if this could finally be worked out... such a drag on everything!
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Also, here's the memorial from a few weeks ago. Looking great!

http://www.newyorkyimby.com/2012/08/...ich-world.html

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World Trade Center museum deal may lead to land sale: sources

(Reuters) - A long-delayed sale of land that is part of the World Trade Center redevelopment could become a reality under a new accord between the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, four sources familiar with the matter said on Tuesday.

The property, called Site 5, could fetch $135 million to $200 million, two of the sources said.

Site 5 is owned by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp, a city-state agency created to rebuild that part of the city after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Across from the World Trade Center, the land had been occupied by the Deutsche Bank building, which was damaged in the attacks and later demolished.

The accord between the Port Authority and National September 11 Memorial & Museum announced on Monday obliges the Lower Manhattan Development Corp to fulfill a 2006 agreement by turning Site 5 over to the Port Authority.

In exchange, the Port Authority would give the museum title to the eight acres of land it and the memorial occupy on the 16-acre (6.5 hectare) World Trade Center site. The memorial honors nearly 3,000 people who perished as a result of the attacks.

"Under the 2006 agreement, it (Site 5) is supposed to be swapped for the eight acres on which the museum and memorial are located," Port Authority Vice Chairman Scott Rechler told Reuters on Tuesday after a service for 84 Port Authority workers who were killed on September 11.

The land swaps were delayed by a political standoff over who would run the annual September 11 anniversary ceremonies held on the memorial plaza, two of the sources said. The sources asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the matter.

The governors of New York and New Jersey, who run the Port Authority, wanted more control over the ceremonies.

The annual memorial has been managed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg because he chairs the foundation that runs the museum and memorial, and the city's police are responsible for security.

The deal gives the two sides six months to finalize the land swaps. One of the sources said that if only part of Site 5 were to be transferred to the Port Authority, New York state's Public Authorities Control Board might have to approve the deal, which could complicate the matter.

MORE MONEY FOR PORT AUTHORITY

The Port Authority owns the World Trade Center complex, which it is rebuilding with developer Larry Silverstein. The Port Authority's projects include the underground museum.

Last year, Port Authority stopped building the nearly $1.3 billion museum because it was arguing with the museum foundation over cost overruns.

Monday's accord cleared the way for New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie to attend Tuesday's 11th anniversary ceremony by resolving the cost dispute and creating a coordinating committee to handle such events.

In July, the foundation said politicians would be excluded from speaking roles to focus on victims' families.

The sources said this pressured Christie and Cuomo to reach the accord with Bloomberg on Monday. The deal clears the way for work on the museum to resume in October, Rechler said. The project should be finished by late 2013 or early 2014, he said.

A spokeswoman for Bloomberg declined to comment. Cuomo's spokesmen had no immediate comment, and a spokesman for Christie referred questions to the Port Authority. No politicians spoke at Tuesday's memorial.

Unlike the World Trade Center land, which can only be used for commercial development, Site 5 can be used for apartments, a hotel or offices.

"The site would be most valuable if it supported apartments with a hotel on the lower floors," said Robert Von Ancken, chairman of Landauer Valuation & Advisory, a division of Newmark Grubb Knight Frank.

A combined hotel and apartments could sell for between $135 million and $150 million, based on comparable sales in the area, the height of the building and the market at the time, he said.


The Port Authority could use the cash as it struggles to find funds for the World Trade Center and airport, bridge and tunnel projects.

(Reporting By Joan Gralla; Additional reporting by Ilania Jonas)
(c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2012. Check for restrictions at: http://about.reuters.com/fulllegal.asp

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Unfortunately the old 5 WTC thread is closed and in the archives, but a new one can be started once the land is sold and new proposals come up..
Great Find! It would be great to have a hotel return to the WTC!
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Old September 12th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #1640
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Right now the W Hotel has a great view of the entire site. They would be pissed if another hotel went up right in front of them!

The other great view hotel is the Millenium Hilton which looks over the Oculus, but when 2 and 3 are done, it will be a narrow view.
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