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Old May 12th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #241
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Old May 12th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #242
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Tianjin is very close to Beijing, and guess what happens when one city has a lack of commercial space, and the adjoining city has plenty? *wink* *wink*

I think Tianjin is going to steal Beijing's thunder, it is beating Beijing to the punch and will steal it's commercial demand, jobs, industries, etc. That being said Beijing is experiencing explosive demographic expansion, up to 800,000 sims every year. Could overtake Shanghai. Many of these sims will stream into new Tianjin developments.

And then the two will merge and become best pals, because they will have no other choice.

Won't be long now, give it another 15-20 years.



What would the new city be called? Any proposals? Northern Capital + Heavenly Ford = ?

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Old May 12th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #243
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Old May 13th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #244
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Heavenly capital
are you sure?

I thought the 'jin' in 'Tianjin' has a completely different meaning than the 'jing' in 'Beijing'.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 02:04 AM   #245
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Tianjin is very close to Beijing, and guess what happens when one city has a lack of commercial space, and the adjoining city has plenty? *wink* *wink*

I think Tianjin is going to steal Beijing's thunder, it is beating Beijing to the punch and will steal it's commercial demand, jobs, industries, etc. That being said Beijing is experiencing explosive demographic expansion, up to 800,000 sims every year. Could overtake Shanghai. Many of these sims will stream into new Tianjin developments.

And then the two will merge and become best pals, because they will have no other choice.

Won't be long now, give it another 15-20 years.




What would the new city be called? Any proposals? Northern Capital + Heavenly Ford = ?
nahh, those two metros look about as close as NYC from Phillie, virtually unaffected by each other, per that image from space; except occasionally blaming each other for the local smog in northern Jersey.

I don't really see how the rise of Tianjin could possibly be competitive with Beijing, just not going to happen in our life time. It's always the wishful thinking of any locality of the wishful thinking of those who want a 'super'-metro of the sort. Similar to those who say Shenzhen and HK will merge in 30 yrs, or those who claim that Randstadt (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, den Hague, Utrecht, etc) and Ruhrgebiet (Essen, Duesseldorf, Koeln, etc) will eventually merge into a super W. Euro metropolis. Or the same with those who thought that Megalopolis should be considered a single metro (Boston, Providence, Hartford, NYC, Phillie, Wilmington, Baltimore, DC, etc).

This kind of stuff just gets really old, and have no basis in reality. There is a good term for such agglomeration of large cities, which is conurbation, and is a widely accepted type of population center in urban planning. This is very different from a single metro.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #246
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they would probably go with 北津, since it is not much different from 北京 in pinyin and most people outside of china do not know tianjin at all.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #247
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nahh, those two metros look about as close as NYC from Phillie, virtually unaffected by each other, per that image from space; except occasionally blaming each other for the local smog in northern Jersey.
By how many residents are your examples growing every year? Where will so many new residents coming to beijing and Tianjin move to? New developments will have to be built, and that's those satellite cities you see between and beside them. Eventually you will get a uniform urban conglomeration, as has happened in Japan (Greater Tokyo metropolitian Region) and other places. China is no exception to urban sprawl.
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Old May 13th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #248
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its hard to say.
Beijing is also expanding to the north and to the south.
They are building a lot now in Fang Shan, which is in the west-south of Beijing. And also in Changping in north-west and Shunyi in north-east.

And the distance between Beijing and Tianjin is more than 100 km.

Beijing can growth to 100 million people and still won't reach Tianjin. Is is different than Tokyo-Yokohama.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #249
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Shanghai's office vacant rate is shockingly low so price are through the roof, and they are not really building that many new offices so the supply/demand ratio will remain this way for the foreseeable future. Therefore it's very likely for companies already have offices in both Shanghai and Tianjin to shift future expansions to the latter.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 04:21 AM   #250
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Shanghai's office vacant rate is shockingly low so price are through the roof, and they are not really building that many new offices so the supply/demand ratio will remain this way for the foreseeable future. Therefore it's very likely for companies already have offices in both Shanghai and Tianjin to shift future expansions to the latter.
What about second, third and fourth tier cities?

Multinationals expanding westwards and into these cities probably need those office spaces for their sales/marketing, customer care and after-sales offices for the locality.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #251
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And the distance between Beijing and Tianjin is more than 100 km.
Not quite. Also, from wuqing district it's only 55km as the crow flies.



Langfang in the center is a good convergence point, and will act as the third hub once the cities are joined. Wuqing is proof that Tianjin is expanding towards Beijing.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 04:03 PM   #252
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Beijing and Tianjin are not merging anytime soon. Don't hold your breath, because the focus of Tianjin development is near the sea where Xiangluowan/Yujiapu are.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 04:11 PM   #253
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Beijing and Tianjin are not merging anytime soon. Don't hold your breath, because the focus of Tianjin development is near the sea where Xiangluowan/Yujiapu are.
Right.
And Beijing is also not expanding toward Tainjin but to Changping, Tongzhou and Fangshan.

Beijing population should exceed 100 million in order to merge with Tianjing, and I don't think it will ever happen. Not in the next 50 years at least.

Regarding the office space in XLW, according to the report I posted before, the developers there tried to talk with BJ based companies and asked them to more to XLW, but without success. It looks like most of the tenets are local companies.
IMO, XLW will be a disaster, but we will have to wait and see.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #254
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Xiangluowan/Yujiapu is just a part of the Binhai New Area, China's latest, updated and improved super "Special Economical Zone".

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By the end of 2010, 285 Fortune Global 500 companies had invested and established branch offices there. Binhai is intended to be a base for China's advanced industrial and financial reform and innovation. A number of major companies including Rockefeller, TISHMAN SPEYER, Motorola, Airbus have buit branches there. For instance, EADS Airbus has already opened an assembly plant for its A320 series airliners, operational since 2009.

Nowadays Binhai New Area consists of nine functional zones namely Advanced Manufacturing Zone, Airport-based Industrial Zone, Binhai High-tech Industrial Development Zone, Seaport based Industrial Zone, Nangang Industrial Zone, Seaport Logistics Zone, Coastal Leisure & Tourism Zone, Sino-Singapore Tianjin Eco-City and Central Business District. In addition, Tianjin Port whose throughput ranks 5th in the world also locates in here.
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oh so binhai chook tai fook center will be around that construction sites?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:58 AM   #256
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oh so binhai chook tai fook center will be around that construction sites?
Probably.

BTW, any new pictures from the site.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #257
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oh so binhai chook tai fook center will be around that construction sites?
Chow Tai Fook will be in TEDA, a little bit north of Xiangluowan/Yujiapu. I already posted a map showing their relative locations a while back.
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Chow Tai Fook will be in TEDA, a little bit north of Xiangluowan/Yujiapu. I already posted a map showing their relative locations a while back.
i went back a few pages and found your statement, chow tai fook is about 3km away tianjin will have a pretty spread out but amazing skyline
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:31 AM   #259
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This render shows what the area will look like within a few years. It's a render of Chow Tai Fook facing southward with Yujiapu/Xiangluowan in the background, you can see how close they are to each other.

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That was amazing.
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