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Old September 22nd, 2014, 11:46 AM   #221
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"This time, we'll build public transport for middle class people"?...
A lot of the middle class workers in Amsterdam goes to work by bike and public transport. To go by car or taxi's are not always very convenient to go work in the Amsterdam inner highwaycircle. A lawyer in suit on a bike or moped is very common in Amsterdam.
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Old October 11th, 2014, 05:35 PM   #222
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A lot of the middle class workers in Amsterdam goes to work by bike and public transport. To go by car or taxi's are not always very convenient to go work in the Amsterdam inner highwaycircle. A lawyer in suit on a bike or moped is very common in Amsterdam.
Yes, my point is that the picture looks like "almost only for the middle class"...
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Old November 13th, 2014, 12:23 AM   #223
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Update

As always from North to South.

Construction of the station canopy at Noord station has been halted. The steel frame construction (you can see it at the top of this page) supposedly isn't stiff enough so it's been sagging a bit and the glass panels won't fit/will remain in one part for long. Or something like that.

Meanwhile they have been installing the third rail.

Expantion joints:





At Central Station they're installing the escalators and lifts:


Roltrappen Ruijterkade Amsterdam Centraal by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr


Roltrappen Ruijterkade Amsterdam Centraal by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr





They've finished the western part of the bus station and are finishing the rest of it to look the same:





Works also continue on the faregate-free shopping 'passages'

Now:

Amsterdam Centraal Westtunnel in aanbouw by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr

Future:


And the connecting shopping area under the bus station from where you'll also be able to enter the metro station

Now:

Amsterdam Centraal IJ-hal by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr

Future:




Paverotti making its way through Rokin station.





For Vijzelgracht station contest winning artist Marjan Laaper has been testing her art installation. It's a light installation with white glass and LED lighting fixtures behind them drawing metro maps of Ramses Shaffy's life.

The Mock-up:


What it will look like:


Soon the above-ground work site will be dismantled and be given back to the city. So now they're finishing off the entrances:






At De Pijp station they have erected the roof structures for the station entrances, which will be the base for the houses on top of it:


Bouw toegang station De Pijp by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr


Bouw toegang station De Pijp by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr

They've also dismantled the two portal cranes dominating the street for years:


Afbreken portaalkraan Ferdinand Bolstraat by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr

In the station itself they have been touching up and painting stuff:


Station De Pijp by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr


Station De Pijp by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr



At Europaplein station they're already mounting the wall panels


Station Europaplein by Noord/Zuidlijn, on Flickr, on Flickr



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Yes, my point is that the picture looks like "almost only for the middle class"...
I have no idea what you're on about, and I'm not sure If I even wanna know.
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Old December 25th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #224
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Updates new busterminal + busplatform Amsterdam Centraal Station

- 250 meters long
- 22 busstops
- Taxi's
- Kiss and Ride
- Ferry/Boats
- Shops/restaurants
- Autotunnel 2x2








Impressions

























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Old December 25th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #225
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Meanwhile they have been installing the third rail.

Expantion joints:


Aluminium third-rail and expansion-joints, nice stuff. Congratulations for Amsterdam-Metro chosing justable third-rail-suspensions. It makes installation and maintainment much easier. Also isolators get not broken that fast, because stresses from thrid rail are not part of the current-isolator. The isolator has not to support the rail and justage is quite easy. I canīt understand why anyone would construct something different. Nearly 100 years of third-rail operation lead to the conclusion, that this is the best suspension ever, if current is collected from below.

One question please: What about the Ijtram line 26. What it be possible to integrate this line into the new bus-station at Amsterdam Central?

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Old December 25th, 2014, 10:11 PM   #226
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One question please: What about the Ijtram line 26. What it be possible to integrate this line into the new bus-station at Amsterdam Central?

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In my opinion, they should extend sneltram 26 to Zeehelden area.

It would be even better to convert it to a full heavy rail all the way linking with Isolatorweg.
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Old December 26th, 2014, 01:35 AM   #227
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I don't think the IJburg tram will change much in the future apart from new rolling stock. If there will be a metro connecting through IJburg it will be a new link coming from the west.

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I didn't mention my source previously because all the pictures belong to Dienst Metro and I already mentioned that before.
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Old December 26th, 2014, 07:49 AM   #228
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If there will be a metro connecting through IJburg it will be a new link coming from the west.
No, it would be coming from Diemen-Zuid.
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No, it would be coming from Diemen-Zuid.
So coming from the west.
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I don't understand why haven't they built tram line 26 as a heavy subway anyway. It runs almost on new development areas, it has all space it needs short of a small tunnel that would be needed near Amsterdam CS. That would have given IJburg a world-class transportation link, instead of a half-baked tram line.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 12:39 AM   #231
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So coming from the west.
South-West, maybe.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #232
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I don't understand why haven't they built tram line 26 as a heavy subway anyway. It runs almost on new development areas, it has all space it needs short of a small tunnel that would be needed near Amsterdam CS. That would have given IJburg a world-class transportation link, instead of a half-baked tram line.
It is actually a really good tram line. Abroad they might even call it an LRT.
For now, it has more than enough capacity (and there is an option to ride with coupled trams still). IJburg hasn't yet been completed, and the altered plans probably mean it will never have the amount of inhabitants originally planned.

When I had to vote for or against IJburg, they told me it was going to have a tram line to Centraal Station and a metro that would connect at Diemen-Zuid.

They never came through on that promise - at least not for now. It might still have the metro in the future, if IJburg 2 gets the population level that would warrant the Diemen-Zuid - IJburg metro extension.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 02:09 AM   #233
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After the first metro line opened, the plans for the stadsspoor (city rail, aka metro) were changed, because there were huge demonstrations and neighbourhoods had gotten demolished. The word metro had become taboo. In the 80s/90s the plan was to build a sneltram (light rail) network, which can be seen here:

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The Amstelveen sneltram is the only one which got built. The Green part towards Isolatorweg actually got built in the 90s to sneltram standards (wider platforms, narrower cars) but they narrowed the platforms and renamed it metro last minute. They also already built a section of sneltram tunnel near Central Station for the light rail towards IJburg. Here's a visual:



And here's some more info (in Dutch) and construction pics.

They decided to not go with it and just put a normal tram there though. With the construction of the new bus station and car tunnel the tunnel segment became obsolete. So if you'd want an underground station now.. I have no idea where you could put it.

@ Suburbanist; I guess the demand isn't high enough. And a future metro connection running west-east towards Almere could also serve those on Haveneiland (be it via the IJtram connection).

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South-West, maybe.
Whatever dude.
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When the new Noordzuidlijn opens, will they abolish the tram #5 to Amstelveen, leaving only the metro 51 in place?

That way, they can fill up the "dual height" platforms, an aberration, and unify the ticketing/OV-chipkaart policy with gates (as in the rest of metro).
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Well no, 51 will be tramified.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #236
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When the new Noordzuidlijn opens, will they abolish the tram #5 to Amstelveen, leaving only the metro 51 in place?

That way, they can fill up the "dual height" platforms, an aberration, and unify the ticketing/OV-chipkaart policy with gates (as in the rest of metro).
I know the answer to that question, but I'm going to answer you because...

1: you keep on asking questions
2: people make an effort to supply you with an answer
3: you never answer back to those people. They don't even get as much as a like
4: Google yourself!
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Old December 31st, 2014, 12:22 AM   #237
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I don't understand why haven't they built tram line 26 as a heavy subway anyway. It runs almost on new development areas, it has all space it needs short of a small tunnel that would be needed near Amsterdam CS. That would have given IJburg a world-class transportation link, instead of a half-baked tram line.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 07:53 AM   #238
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In what way would Ijburg get better transportation if the rail transportation were metro instead of todays light rail?

There are no real difference in speed, acceleration e.t.c. between modern trams and most metro trains. As long as the trams don't have to wait for other traffic or have speed limits due to cheap infrastructure the travel times are comparable.
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In what way would Ijburg get better transportation if the rail transportation were metro instead of todays light rail?

There are no real difference in speed, acceleration e.t.c. between modern trams and most metro trains. As long as the trams don't have to wait for other traffic or have speed limits due to cheap infrastructure the travel times are comparable.


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Basically you got it wrong on all points. Another word for "tram" is "streetcar" - which means it mingles with other traffic.

Although I do fail to see how someone from Rotterdam and Tilburg could possibly know what's best for Amsterdam...
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IJburg just doesn't have the population to warrant metro. The mostly segregated tram they got is more than enough for now.

If IJburg 2 gets built, with high densities, a metro can always be extended from Diemen-Zuid.
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