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Old June 27th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #121
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Does anyone have any current information about San Diego developing a modern street car network (not the vintage silver line)? I thought I read somewhere that MTS, as part of its long range plan, was considering several modern street car line. IIRC, they were along Park Blvd, 30th Street, and a short line into Little Italy area.
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I remember reading about a proposal from downtown to Balboa Park using PCC's. That will take a lot of time and money to restore the ones garaged at 12th and I. And that doesn't include laying the track and placing the overhead.
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Hello everybody how is everybody in this thread, I traveled to San Diego recently and i have used the trolley and buses to get around and i got to say the trolley is one of the best mode of transit i have ever been on next to the Washington Metro, it goes to alot of places and its very frequent as well.

I am also happy to hear that its being expanded to UCSD the mid-coast trolley, even more i just hope that it gets expanded to Lindbergh airport soon, also i heard of an expansion to Balboa park i was just there recently and i love the park its really beautiful.

i am amazed that the trolley can go to the international border that amazes me i couldn't believe i was very close to mexico but still in the USA which is werid, i am from Florida i don't see trolleys in florida like Los Angeles and San Diego i am amazed alot of people here embrace public transport more then they do in Florida.

I think the Trolley has alot of potential and that is built as a light rail is very easy to expand unlike the miami metrorail where i live in Miami we have one new station at the airport but it took alot of years of development.

also what do you feel about High Speed Rail and the improvements coming with the LOSSAN corridor?
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Old August 7th, 2014, 08:59 AM   #123
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Sorry if I just noticed this now, but I will make a quick comment...

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Thanks for that modification. Now we are pretty close.

I'd start at UTC Transit center, go north on Genesee up to La Jolla Village Drive and turn left. Then continue up to Village La Jolla Drive and turn right. I'd make the loop into the VA Medical Center and go back to Village La Jolla up to Gilman Drive. Left there to Scholars Drive South. This becomes Muir Lane and then Muir College Drive. That soon becomes Scholars Drive North which would be followed to the end at UCSD North Point Driveway. You're forced to the right here. Follow that up straight on and it becomes Hopkins Drive. Go left on Voight Drive up to Campus Point Drive and turn left. Then to Genesee again and turn right back to La Jolla Village Drive. Go left there and take that to I 805 south and from there to CA 52 east. Stay on this up to the Convoy Street exit. Go right onto Convoy and turn left onto Claremont Mesa Drive. Continue up to the Kearny Mesa Transit Center (the only stop along here for this line). Keep going on Claremont Mesa up to I-15 south and continue to I-8 east. Take the first exit onto Fairmount Drive. Go right and then left onto Montezuma. Follow this up to Campanile Drive and turn left. Then continue to Hardy Avenue and the SDSU Transit Center. Now turn right onto College Avenue and continue to Lindo Paso. Make two left turns to get back onto College Avenue and continue to the street that leads to the SDSU Campus Parking. Again, two quick lefts back onto College Avenue and go to Canyon Crest Drive. Follow that to Aztec Circle Drive up to the Avenue of Art and turn left. This later becomes Scripps Terrace. Follow that up to Canyon Crest Drive again and turn left. Follow this up to 55th Street and turn left again. Follow this back to Montezuma and return to UCSD. Stop at all existing SDMTS bus stops from 55th and Montezuma into the SDSU TC and then at the new stops on the new part of this route that doesn't duplicate any other services. The same goes for the service on UCSD campus. Use all existing bus stops from the UTC TC up to Genesee and La Jolla Village Drive. Some new stops on campus will have to be added on the part of the route that is not covered by existing routes.

I know that bit about two times two left turns on College Avenue sounds crazy but I can't see any other way of getting a bus from the SDSU TC up to Aztec Crcle.

At some future time the Blue Line will be extended from America Plaza or Santa Fe Depot and Old Town up to UCSD. When that happens it may be necessary to rethink this service as it may be quicker to get from UCSD to SDSU by the Blue and Green Lines than by using this bus route. My choice for a route number for this service is 267 Rapid Express SDSU-UCSD or 267 Rapid Express UCSD-SDSU.

I drew all this out but I'm afraid that I would be the only person able to read it. My drawing and lettering skills are not nearly as good and as clear as yours.


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On the text I highlighted, that's pretty interesting... do the Superloop Lines 201, 202, and 204 come close to those roads you've mentioned? If not, it will be quite a large loop to start with for a Rapid bus... perhaps, the roads you've mentioned can become another Superloop line, in which it will eventually feed into UTC Transit Center.

On the light rail extension, the next thing I could ask is, how will that extension affect Lines 30, 50, 105, and 150 that currently provide north-south service between UCSD, La Jolla (30 only), Clairemont (105 only) and Old Town in the long-run? And how will it affect service between Downtown and the northern burbs, especially that there is no equivalent COASTER service through UCSD? Do you think a station at Genessee Avenue will be a fantastic idea to provide additional service to downtown aside from the current bus service? If a station is built closer to La Jolla Parkway, it might not make sense since there is limited transit service through that part of town...
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Old August 8th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #124
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Hello everybody how is everybody in this thread, I traveled to San Diego recently and i have used the trolley and buses to get around and i got to say the trolley is one of the best mode of transit i have ever been on next to the Washington Metro, it goes to alot of places and its very frequent as well.

I am also happy to hear that its being expanded to UCSD the mid-coast trolley, even more i just hope that it gets expanded to Lindbergh airport soon, also i heard of an expansion to Balboa park i was just there recently and i love the park its really beautiful.

i am amazed that the trolley can go to the international border that amazes me i couldn't believe i was very close to mexico but still in the USA which is werid, i am from Florida i don't see trolleys in florida like Los Angeles and San Diego i am amazed alot of people here embrace public transport more then they do in Florida.

I think the Trolley has alot of potential and that is built as a light rail is very easy to expand unlike the miami metrorail where i live in Miami we have one new station at the airport but it took alot of years of development.

also what do you feel about High Speed Rail and the improvements coming with the LOSSAN corridor?
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OK, second try. First one dropped off my screen as I was completing it.

Also, what do you feel about High Speed Rail and the improvements coming with the LOSSAN corridor?

I <3 High Speed Rail!!!

Last week I rode from Lille to Paris and back on a TGV. I've got a Senior+ Card from the French Railways and was able to go in first class for about the normal fare in second class. I've been in a number of other high speed trains like Thalys, Eurostar and ICE. My next trip will be to Mulhouse in France, home of the national car and rail museums. I'm going there to see the Siemens Avanto Tram-Trains that run from there to Thann. They are very closely related to the San Diego S-70's. I'll plan my journey on getting to ride in one of the new double deck TGV's that run on the new line from Paris to Strasbourg that's not yet fully in service. On the new section, these trains go 320 KmH or 199 MPH, an increase from the present 300 and 186 figures. SD to LA in an hour and a half or so????? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't too pleased with the LOSSAN corridor during last year's visit. I only went from SD to Oceanside but it was enough. They need to get the entire line double tracked as fast as they can. They also need to work on coordinating schedules between Coaster and Metrolink. Right now there's only ONE daily connection between the two at O-side going north in the morning and the return trip is in the afternoon. That's all you get and there is also a Metrolink to Metrolink connection you will make before arriving in LA. For the rest of the day you must pay Amtrak's prices. I will give this a try on my next visit. From what I've been reading elsewhere, this may be at least partly solved sometime in 2014.

I also looked at the Pacific Surfliner times and fares. The only way to get from SD to San Luis Obispo (the two ends of the service) and back to SD in the same day (almost) looks like this...

SD Depart (Train)......................06:05

Santa Barbara Arrive.................11:40
Santa Barbara Depart (Bus)........11:45

San Luis Obispo Arrive...............14:10
San Luis Obispo Depart (Bus)......15:20

Santa Barbara Arrive.................18:40
Santa Barbara Depart (Train)......18:58......14:03 Quick Turn

SD Arrive................................01:00 .....20:07 Quick Turn

You may as well reverse at Santa Barbara as you won't be getting a train from there to San Luis Obispo anytime soon. The times for that version are shown on the right of the other times along with 'Quick Turn'.

Quite some years ago I lived in the Miami area but I haven't been back there since.


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Old August 8th, 2014, 08:46 PM   #125
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Sorry if I just noticed this now, but I will make a quick comment...



On the text I highlighted, that's pretty interesting... do the Superloop Lines 201, 202, and 204 come close to those roads you've mentioned? If not, it will be quite a large loop to start with for a Rapid bus... perhaps, the roads you've mentioned can become another Superloop line, in which it will eventually feed into UTC Transit Center.

On the light rail extension, the next thing I could ask is, how will that extension affect Lines 30, 50, 105, and 150 that currently provide north-south service between UCSD, La Jolla (30 only), Clairemont (105 only) and Old Town in the long-run? And how will it affect service between Downtown and the northern burbs, especially that there is no equivalent COASTER service through UCSD? Do you think a station at Genessee Avenue will be a fantastic idea to provide additional service to downtown aside from the current bus service? If a station is built closer to La Jolla Parkway, it might not make sense since there is limited transit service through that part of town...
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My new line will come close to 201/202 and it does run on a few of the same streets. My point here to to connect almost anywhere on one campus with almost anywhere on the other with a one seat ride. You can't do that if you drop people off at a transit center and make them change buses or walk to their final on-campus destination. My route goes into the western part of the campus that 201/202 avoids so it serves a bigger area. This rout will also connect with the Blue Line Extension at several stations such as the VA, East Campus and of course the UTC Transit Center. The 204 has nothing to do with this.

After looking at the route folders for 201/202, I would run my line on the same streets as theirs between Voight and Campus Park up to Regents and Eastgate Mall. I'd turn left onto Eastgate Mall and follow that to Genessee. From there I'd turn right and get back to my original plan but with an additional stop at the UTC Transit Center. This allows this line to better serve the medical center and hospital. I would also have it take the UCSD hospital loop that's just off the route of 201/202. The reason for stopping at the UTC Transit Center again after passing through the campus is that some folks picked up on campus may want to make connections there. Then it is back to the original plan; La Jolla Villiage Drive-I 805-CA 52-Kearney Mesa Transit Center-I 15-I 8-SDSU. Returning to the SDSU Transit Center before the return trip to UCSD for the same reason is also an option at that end as well.

I don't think the Blue Line extension will have any impact on the 30. On the other hand, I think it will have an impact on the 50 and the 105 to the point of some consolidation of these two will be made when the time comes. Both serve a number of common points so the 105 may be deleted with modifications to the 50 along the way. I think the 150 will be abandoned unless the trip time is competitive with the Blue Line.

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Looking at the map for the Blue Line extension, it seems there is potential for a Park and Ride facility at the junction of I 5 and CA 52. The new line passes that point so why not? Of course you would need to build the parking facility and access roads for it from I 5 and CA 52.


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Blue Line Extension

Has anyone heard the current status on this project? No one seems to know when the work will start and end. Even the SDMTS website has nothing to say at the moment.

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Old August 9th, 2014, 03:05 AM   #127
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More U2's for Mendoza

As long as I have the floor, I'll again ask if anyone has heard anything more about which U2 cars went to Mendoza in the second batch. 28 U2's supposedly left SD back in June. 4 of them were intended as a source of spare parts rather than for service. I'd really like to get this cleared up in the very near future.

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Old August 9th, 2014, 03:13 AM   #128
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SDMTS 1018

I mentioned this as an edit to my original SDMTS post at the very top of Page 5 of this thread but didn't think to repeat it elsewhere. Having it as a separate post lets people that don't want to wade through that opus get the same info a lot quicker and easier.

U2 set 1018 was transfered to the Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista, California near San Francisco. They have the overhead wire set up and she runs on various operating days. She is still in her SDMTS colors. There's a video or two featuring here up there on You Tube.


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Old August 25th, 2014, 03:41 PM   #129
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San Diego light rail ridership up 34%
Monday, August 25, 2014



SAN DIEGO Metropolitan Transit System (MTS) saw light rail ridership surge by 34% to reach 39.7 million passengers in the 2014 financial year, which ended on June 30, according to the operator's newly-published annual results.

The north-south Blue Line linking the city centre with San Ysidro on the Mexican border remains the busiest line, although MTS says passenger numbers increased on all lines.

MTS attributes ridership growth to a number of factors, including the introduction of new Siemens low-floor LRVs, reconfigured routes, and the introduction of new passenger counting technologies. Improving economic conditions and increasing petrol prices also helped to boost passenger numbers
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:08 PM   #130
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MTS light rail ridership increased 34% in FY 14 because I spent 10 days there mostly riding the system as I was unable to spend as much time with my friends as planned. ;;))
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Go-ahead for San Diego Mid-Coast Corridor
Monday, November 24, 2014



SAN DIEGO Association of Governments Board of Directors (Sandag) has unanimously approved the final environmental impact report for the Mid-Coast Corridor Transit Project, which will extend the city's light rail network north from Old Town along the Interstate 5 corridor to La Jolla and University City

The 17.7km nine-station line will follow the alignment of the existing Coaster commuter rail line from Old Town to serve Linda Vista, Pacific Beach, and the University of California San Diego campus before reaching a park-and-ride terminus at Westfield UTC in University City.

The environmental report for the project was approved by the United States Federal Transit Administration last month.

The completion of the environmental process means preliminary works can start on the $US 1.7bn project and major construction will begin at the end of next year with the aim of commissioning the line in 2019.
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Hey, that's great news!!! Thanks for posting it on here.

It's been almost three months to the day since the last post here. I check in for a moment or two almost daily. Glad to see another sign of life on here.
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Tyger-Wyger, do you know anything about crossborder LRT between US-Mexican border? I mean in recent times.
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Tyger-Wyger, do you know anything about crossborder LRT between US-Mexican border? I mean in recent times.
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I have heard there is a plan under discussion by both sides and there is broad agreement. That was several months ago and I haven't heard anything since. As always, I'm sure there are a million small details that have to worked out and agreed to. In this case you also have US Customs and Immigration, the Drug Enforcement Agency plus the TSA involved on the American side and whatever counterparts exist on the Mexican side. There's also some financing involved but most of that should be on the Mexican side as the Blue Line presently ends perhaps 200 meters from the border.
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MTS Sets Ridership Record;
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MTS logged more than 9 million trips in October—the highest ridership of any single month
San Diego, Calif. – The Metropolitan Transit System (MTS) reports that there have been more than 1 million more trips on the bus and Trolley during the first four months of the fiscal year compared to the same period last year.

“Based on these results, ridership is on pace to increase to nearly 100 million trips over the course of the year,” said Paul Jablonski, CEO of MTS. “MTS is delivering more public transit options than ever before at higher frequencies with its three new Rapid routes. Combined with its other services, riders are finding MTS more convenient than ever before. This is a tremendous response from the public.”

For the fiscal year-to-date, MTS ridership has increased 3 percent over the previous year. MTS Bus ridership increased from 18,789,885 to 19,700,434. MTS Trolley ridership increased from 13,851,097 to 13,977,605. Combined, ridership increased by 1,037,057 during the first four months of FY 2015 to 33,678,039 trips.

The most significant increase in ridership was seen in October. MTS Bus logged 5,426,882 trips – the highest ridership of any single month in the history of the agency. Overall, MTS had more than 9 million boardings on the bus and Trolley in October, also a systemwide record.

MTS officials credited higher frequencies and new services as the main reasons for the increase. MTS implemented a major route reconfiguration along the I-15 corridor that included the launch of Rapid 235 and Rapid Express 280 and 290 in June, and Rapid 237 in October. Rapid 235 is averaging nearly 4,000 daily trips, connecting passengers from Escondido to Downtown San Diego with fewer stops and no transfers via the I-15. [b]Rapid 215, which began service on Oct. 12 is averaging more than 6,000 daily trips and connects San Diego State University to Downtown San Diego. Officials also reported record ridership increases on the SuperLoop – a fast and frequent route serving many major destinations in University City and UC San Diego.[/n]

MTS operates more than 90 bus routes and three Trolley lines on 53 miles of double-tracked railway. More than 300,000 passenger trips are taken on MTS bus and Trolley services each weekday. For more information on how you can use public transportation and save money, visit www.sdmts.com.
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Up 34% in one year? Wow that's pretty miraculous growth.

Nice to hear it too as I find this is my favourite of the US light rail systems.
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I have heard there is a plan under discussion by both sides and there is broad agreement. That was several months ago and I haven't heard anything since. As always, I'm sure there are a million small details that have to worked out and agreed to. In this case you also have US Customs and Immigration, the Drug Enforcement Agency plus the TSA involved on the American side and whatever counterparts exist on the Mexican side. There's also some financing involved but most of that should be on the Mexican side as the Blue Line presently ends perhaps 200 meters from the border.
There are some future plans for the city of Tijuana to develop a Light Train System, that will start precisely in the border and would end 20 km inland.
The project has been developed by the state of Baja California, but the
municipality plans to implant a BRT system at the beginning of 2016 which is under construction right now, that will have most likely a similar route to the Light Train planned by the State, but BRT system will start at downtown Tijuana and will have a station at the border.

Neither the BRT nor the Light Train System would have a terminal inside Mexican or US customs, so, there's no talk for Drug enforcement agency, CBP, etc. There would not be any problem reggarding that.

As for the growth, when I cross the border it usually goes full at the beginning, but many of the people get off at the first stations.
Much more better get into the low-floor trolleys instead of the old ones.
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Thanks for the great news! Glad to see that ridership in San Diego is on an upward and record-breaking trend.
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There are some future plans for the city of Tijuana to develop a Light Train System, that will start precisely in the border and would end 20 km inland.
The project has been developed by the state of Baja California, but the
municipality plans to implant a BRT system at the beginning of 2016 which is under construction right now, that will have most likely a similar route to the Light Train planned by the State, but BRT system will start at downtown Tijuana and will have a station at the border.

Neither the BRT nor the Light Train System would have a terminal inside Mexican or US customs, so, there's no talk for Drug enforcement agency, CBP, etc. There would not be any problem reggarding that.

As for the growth, when I cross the border it usually goes full at the beginning, but many of the people get off at the first stations.
Much more better get into the low-floor trolleys instead of the old ones.
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Even if the new service doesn't cross the border (I've heard there would be a one-seat ride from central SD to central Tijuana), there will still be an increase in people crossing every day when both systems are fully operational. Depending on how popular it is, that could make the existing facilities inadequate. And in a few more years the Blue Line Extension to UCSD will extend that one seat ride even more than the current service that terminates at America Plaza, so again, even more riders.
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Up 34% in one year? Wow that's pretty miraculous growth.

Nice to hear it too as I find this is my favourite of the US light rail systems.
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