Klang Valley Intergrated Mass Rapid Transit System

[patchay]

Originally Posted by shindreel

a highlight from Business Times:

"The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it."


Read more: Right time for MRT http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...#ixzz0rpcktuoB

wat a coincidence that we mention about it here and it's on newspaper today.....!!!



Right time for MRT
By Shahriman Johari | Published: June 25, 2010 | Business Times
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...#ixzz0rpgvXd5i

The economic benefits of a mass rapid transit (MRT) system are significant as it could raise the value of property, among other things, but the timing needs to be right as otherwise it could lose its effectiveness.

Outside of Kuala Lumpur, it has been proposed to have MRT stations in Sungai Buloh, Seri Kembangan and even Kajang, sources said.

Within the capital city, it would run under Kampung Baru, an area slated for redevelopment, and provide connections between the existing light rail transit lines.

"Any land that's underdeveloped, the value will be unlocked. It is a very comprehensive paper," one source said.

However, it is unclear when the project, estimated to cost more than RM30 billion, will start although it was mentioned under the 10th Malaysia Plan.

The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it.

The MRT project was pitched to the government by Gamuda Bhd and MMC Corp Bhd, which built the RM2 billion Storm-water Management and Road Tunnel to alleviate flooding in Kuala Lumpur.

The Gamuda-MMC tie-up is also building the RM12 billion double-tracking rail between Ipoh and Padang Besar in Perlis.

Apart from giving the much-needed connectivity for Kuala Lumpur's fragmented public transport system, proponents of the MRT project point to its multiplier effect.

The double-tracking project, for instance, will generate an estimated RM25 billion worth of downstream economic activities, or more than double its investment.

But work on the MRT needs to start soon for the economy to feel the full tangible benefits of the project.

Based on the Income-Population Normalised (IPN) Index, which measures when an MRT should open, Kuala Lumpur is ready for one.

The IPN Index was developed by Surya Raj Acharya, a senior research fellow at the Institute for Transport Policy Studies in Tokyo, Japan, and Shigeru Morichi, a professor at the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies, also in Tokyo.

It takes into account the income per capita and the city's population.

This means that the impact of an MRT will not be so significant if the investment is made too late. In other words, if more of the city's population has more income, it will be tougher to get them to take the MRT as they will be too comfortable with their cars.

Kuala Lumpur's IPN Index is 0.88 based on the forecast gross domestic product per capita of US$7,547 (RM24,301) and a population of 1.8 million by this year.

If the index is below 0.77, it means that it is too early to have an MRT, while an index higher than 1.20 indicates that it is too late.

Hong Kong opened its MRT in 1979 after investing some HK$20 billion (RM8.6 billion). It carried some 3.76 million passengers in 2008 and is one of the leading models for MRT development.

Singapore, however, opened its MRT in 1987 after investing some S$40 billion (RM93 billion).

[patchay]

LATEST NEWS: MRT project may be tough to pull off, says OSK
Updates by Business Times
June 25, 2010
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...#ixzz0rpsyZEbt

While describing the proposed RM36 billion Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) project as good, OSK Research however feels it may be difficult to pull off.

Funding, it highlighted, will be a prime concern given the government's efforts to cut the deficit.

"Indeed, the MRT proposal sounds like a very good plan in enhancing public transportation within the Klang Valley.

"However, we remain doubtful if the project will take off that quickly, and if at all," OSK said in its research note today.

It said RM36 billion is a "gigantic sum to fork out" and if approved, the MRT would be Malaysia's single largest project implemented to date.

OSK also said the implementation of such large scale jobs are usually faced with many hiccups.

"The RM12.5 billion Electrified Double Track project is an example. It was awarded in 2003, before being pulled back and re-awarded again, only in end-2007.

"Further, we understand that 50 per cent of the LRT (Light Rail Transit) extension alignment, has yet to be finalised. We think the priority is to get the LRT started first," it added.

Other factors include land issues, resistance from political opposition parties and pressure from "well connected" developers to change the alignment, it added.

Commenting on Gamuda's electrified double track project, OSK said it is now 44 per cent complete, with 95 per cent of the required land, handed over.

Meanwhile, MIDF Research House said the proposed MRT project would be the key catalyst for Gamuda's stock in the near term.

It said Gamuda-MMC JV is currently in advanced discussions with the government for the proposed MRT project that was presented to the government in January this year.

The construction works of the MRT is targeted to start by January 2011, if everything goes as planned and all necessary approvals are obtained from the relevant parties, MIDF said.

The research house also said Gamuda-MMC has indicated, it is targeting to undertake the underground portion of the works, estimated at 30 per cent of the total project or RM11 billion. (Different sources different amount)

"Meanwhile, the remaining 70 per cent or RM25 billion for above ground works will be tendered out to other contractors, with Gamuda-MMC JV being the project manager.

"Gamuda-MMC JV is banking on its track record for the RM11 billion electrified double tracking project as well as the construction of the Kaohsiung MRT project in Taiwan to secure the proposed project," it explained.

Gamuda's orderbook now stand at RM6.5 billion.--Bernama




Gamuda, MMC may need RM4.8b for MRT job
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...#ixzz0rptn7qTG

GAMUDA Bhd and MMC Corp may need to raise RM4.8 billion for working capital and a performance bond if their joint venture is chosen to oversee a proposed RM36 billion mass rail project in Kuala Lumpur, Citigroup Inc said in a report today.

Gamuda and MMC’s joint venture proposal is being considered by Malaysia’s government and a decision is likely before year-end, Citi wrote. - Bloomberg

[travellator]

Gamuda plans for 3 lines; red, green and circle. Anyone seen the plan?

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Ambank upbeat on Gamuda’s chances to clinch KL MRT job
By Lee Wei Lian
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/b...ch-kl-mrt-job/

KUALA LUMPUR, June 25 —

Based on Gamuda’s proposal, the MRT system will have three new lines — red, green and circle lines, be built in three phases up until 2019.

The circle line would integrate all the rail systems, while the red line would line Damansara to Cheras and green line would link Kepong to Serdang.

[bukhrin]

Oi not again. Last time it was kepong-cheras, and damansara-serdang ....

[patchay]

who is reporting the accurate one now?


Damansara to Serdang (TEdge)

OR

Damansara to Cheras (TMI)


Kepong to Cheras (TEdge)

OR

Kepong to Serdang (TMI)

[argory]

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

darken the city below is a blessing for pedestrian,motorist and motorcyclist.we could do with few more shadow anyway.if MRT viaduct is ungly,then all highway need to be replanted underground as it is too,is ugly.just like our neigbour perhabs,lets bury everything.all motorcycle and busses had to be banned as it too,is noisy.

but i agreed,that selective discrimination is a virtue in those 1st world country.1st world mentality should be where our citizen can build and planned something that suit our environment,not just blindly follow others in a coal wet country..just look our teres house and at how we suppose to dress,everyday,here in the tropics we are wearing something that should be worn in a cold climate. and live in a houses that poorly ventilated as if we are fighting extreme cold,rather than heat. if u see how the american in florida are wearing or japanese coolasia programme,in the summer,then we could see how 3rd class our mentalities are..PRETENDING that this is not a tropical country.

anywayy,i find elevated structure are sexy,and a great addition to KL,rather than the boring look of other cities who hide everything underground..we are not our neighbor,we have plenty of land,that allowed for awesome elevated highway,MRT and more space public space and park..

Selective discrimination? What on earth are you talking about?

We have never followed or “copied” any international best-practices thoroughly – which is why we are constantly stuck in a tidak-apa third-world mess. Let us face and accept that our neighbour and her counterparts in the developed world are decades ahead of us in urban management. In fact, Singapore is almost always cited as the best example of urban planning while we are a world-renown example for poor public transport and no urban planning.

Your argument on terrace houses and fashion is absurd because by your logic, everyone in the tropics, men and women should live bare chested in tree houses. As for viaducts being sexy and a great addition to city – your sudden love for KL is highly dubious.

with KL geologies of unstable rock,underground caves and rivers and our law than prevented digging under non public land,make tunneling cost an extreme extravagant..afterall it did not serve any useful purpose.other than to hide what some people regard as ugly,how could we affort it as at the same time some malaysian are w/out electricity,water,road,busses,scholl and what not....untill our law is ammend to allowed connecting point A to point B in a straight line,if this reduce construction cost then by all mean,just do it.

Please do not over-dramatize the construction of tunnels to imply that it is impossible or never done before in KL. Long term public transport infrastructure is expensive but your priorities for integration and planning provisions have to be balanced with a staggered implementation program and a civilized concern for the urban environment, culture and space. As a matter of fact, current railway regulations make it technically illegal to build elevated viaducts in dense city centres(like the one along Jalan Tun Perak) because of railway protection zones. But anyhow, many other laws will have to be inevitably amended to facilitate public transport restructuring exercises– not only those concerning underground land ownership issues.

its not about adequate shelter,ever drive and thinking it would be great for so shadow to reduce the blazzing sun and heat,or some stucture than partially sheltered u from drenching in the rain,or in the case of driving,actually seeing the road,without being blinded by the XXL size droplet.

Well, that’s exactly why you should build dedicated disabled-friendly pedestrian links with shelters – not half-baked, disjointed or coincidental footpaths.

[SimonPoh]

Wow, It is going to be interesting, i hoped it would be 100% tunnel than elevated, or partially elevated in suburban area.

i would be doubted that how many coring machine is needed if this is ready to be kick-off, just hopefully that several tunnel coring machine is initiated at one time and hopefully it would be partially open for public usage and need not to be waited until year 2019..

maybe prioritize some of the route is most important, just wondering which part of KL is mostly populated, Damansara? Kepong? Cheras? or Serdang? Anyone knows?

[travellator]

from TMI

[bukhrin]

Originally Posted by travellator

from TMI

LOL, which "Taman Kooperasi" ?

Why do I have the impression that MMC-GAMUDA is railroading everyone to have their way, and why is SPNB is so silent on this one.

You can see the approximate alignment here.

http://transitmy.org/2010/06/23/tran...ail-proposals/

[patchay]

ROUTES:

RED LINE
RRIM Sungai Buloh - Damansara - Masjid Jamek - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Sungei Besi - Serdang

GREEN LINE
Kepong - Setapak - Kampung Baru/KLCC - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Cheras (Taman Kooperasi)


This topic is soooo hottttt now.... More updates coming soon.......

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[forrestcat]

Which line are they going to build first? I am sure they are not going to start all three simultaneously?

[patchay]

Originally Posted by patchay

ROUTES:

RED LINE
RRIM Sungai Buloh - Damansara - Sri Hartamas - Jalan Kuching - Masjid Jamek - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Sungei Besi - Serdang

GREEN LINE
Kepong - Setapak - Kampung Baru/KLCC - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Cheras (Taman Kooperasi)


This topic is soooo hottttt now.... More updates coming soon.......

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ooops some mistake there, revised:

RED LINE
RRIM Sungai Buloh - Damansara - Sri Hartamas - Jalan Kuching - Masjid Jamek - Dataran Perdana/Pasar Rakyat - Sungei Besi - Serdang

[SimonPoh]

The Interchanges seem like not really enough, What do you think?

Mostly elevated, elevated track will somehow reduce the value of the lands as it will create noise pollution and might faced objection of neighbourhood whereby some of them might be a spoiler for this mega project.. To prevent these cumbresome, they might planned the rail in city centre to be mostly underground and since tunnel coring machine will be deployed, they might think of making full use of its..

Prolly my opinion, how do you all think about this?

[daeng_jal]

like i said 30bil tunneling job is enough for EDT at lest 700km long..and considering KL fragile geologies,there might be cases of cave in,like in the SMART,cost may spiral,building may collapsed,but ll the thing a speculative thus the word "may", but it still a difficult engineering works and it will be too high a cost and risk for me..

make it elevated,its cheaper,faster to construct,low risk and we can use the additional fund to have longer MRT and EDT of KTM track..

Originally Posted by shindreel

a highlight from Business Times:

"The proposal, which was seen by Business Times, also contains a provision for an MRT Act, which will help the project developer deal with land issues. This means that it will help lower the cost of the project as the government does not have to buy the land if it wants to build an underground tunnel beneath it."


Read more: Right time for MRT http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...#ixzz0rpcktuoB

if i had a land,i'll fight tool and nail to get the compensation even though it didn't affect me at all..WHO DON'T WANT FREE MONEY RIGHT?..at least i wanna insurance so that my building will not be affected..

what more the land owner there should be powerful and influential people

[johnsonooi]

Hey Allurban,

I went to Transit and saw the proposed map in your website. Can I have it in the original form? Thanks

[t3ars_culprit]

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

darken the city below is a blessing for pedestrian,motorist and motorcyclist.we could do with few more shadow anyway.if MRT viaduct is ungly,then all highway need to be replanted underground as it is too,is ugly.just like our neigbour perhabs,lets bury everything.all motorcycle and busses had to be banned as it too,is noisy.

I think he does not mean that every station of the MRT should be built underground just specific station in KL CBD...
BTW, do ppl really walk under the elevated tracks???

I once took the underground Highway in Singapore, it was perfect and cool...

[patchay]

By TRANSIT
Source: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3...klangvalle.jpg

Acknowledgment: TRANSIT.my



I find it wasteful for the Loop Line to run parallel with the Current Ampang Line. More places need to be covered such as Old Klang Road, Ampang area, Bandar Sunway, etc.....





My Proposal for RED LINE:

1. Paya Jaras Depot/Bandar Baru Sungei Buloh
2. Rubber Research Institute/Subang 2
3. Sungei Buloh KTM (*)
4. Damansara Damai (Bus Terminal)
5. Kota Damansara
6. Pelangi Damansara
7. Mutiara Damansara
8. Bandar Utama Damansara (Coach Terminal in 1U)
9. Damansara Uptown
10. Damansara Intan/Tropicana City
11. PJ Seksyen 16/Phileo Damansara
12. Universiti Malaya Campus North
13. Pusat Bandar Damansara (*)
14. Jalan Semantan
15. Tasik Perdana/Lake Gardens
16. Bukit Aman
17. Masjid Jamek LRT (*)
18. Bukit Ceylon
19. Bukit Bintang Monorail (*)
20. Dataran Perdana/Proposed KLIFC MRT Interchange (*)
21. Jalan Kampung Pandan
22. Pandan Indah LRT (*)
23. Taman Kencana
24. Kampung Cheras Baru, off Jalan Kuari
25. Pusat Bandar Cheras/Cheras Business Centre
26. Taman Midah MRT Interchange (*)
27. HUKM Bandar Tun Razak
28. Desa Petaling East
29. Alam Damai
30. Sungei Besi RMAF/Proposed City of Malaysia
31. Mines Resort City Seri Kembangan
32. Mines South Lake/Taman Sungei Besi Indah
33. Serdang KTM (*)
34. Serdang Baru/Serdang Jaya
35. Universiti Pertanian Malaysia
36. Taman Equine/Taman Pinggiran Putra
37. Taman Lestari Permai
38. Putrajaya Sentral ERL/P-Monorail Interchange (*)

[t3ars_culprit]

Originally Posted by patchay

It's really a too expensive thing to do and waste of money if the government is gonna payoff those owners of land that the underground MRT will go through. Changing the law? I think there's no way to change the law if the government wants the support, i.e. of the mamak owners.

Like it or not, best option is Elevated.

I think we Malaysians are too selfish... waiting government to pay dem off, I think we shud support the government rather than making money from the law or threatening by not supporting dem lolz... anyway it jus underground, its not like a fly-over, or "elevated MRT tracks" fly through ur house lolz

[allurban]

Originally Posted by johnsonooi

Hey Allurban,

I went to Transit and saw the proposed map in your website. Can I have it in the original form? Thanks

send TRANSIT an email and we will ask the designer if he is ok with it. In the meantime, you are welcome to download it from our website.

klangvalley.transit@gmail.com

Check out http://bit.ly/95cHsn today and you will be able to compare 4 out of 5 LRT/MRT proposals (the designer is still working on the DBKL map which is hard to figure out)

Cheers, m

[allurban]

Originally Posted by patchay

By TRANSIT
Source: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3...klangvalle.jpg

Acknowledgment: TRANSIT.my



I find it wasteful for the Loop Line to run parallel with the Current Ampang Line. More places need to be covered such as Old Klang Road, Ampang area, Bandar Sunway, etc.....

we believe the plan is to use the spur line as part of the circle line, so the Ampang line would possibly disappear from the map - it would depend on the final construction - they might keep the interchange after all. Do note that a great deal of that circle line will be at grade or elevated - the underground portions are in Mont Kiara and Bangsar.

Cheers, m