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Old August 3rd, 2013, 09:57 AM   #581
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Years down the line this vew wil look awesome

Clearing of site going on in lower left corner



Thats the site of Lodha's Bluemoon project (site prep). Six towers of 78 floors is gonna be epic.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 10:05 AM   #582
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never believe wikipedia on skyscraper news

CTBUH has it listed on 2015 for now, which seems more realistic, but still probably only a guess. end dates are always hard to figure out since a lot can happen.
Even CTBUH is not reliable esp for Asian cities, srry.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 12:47 PM   #583
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i also didn't say it was, but it is more reliable than wikipedia, and the date ctbuh mentions is realistic as i said, which is not always the case.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 02:00 PM   #584
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i also didn't say it was, but it is more reliable than wikipedia, and the date ctbuh mentions is realistic as i said, which is not always the case.
Well i was actually referring abt CTBUH database records. Most of the skyscraper projects of asian cities aren't listed there.(i can show you many examples) Emporis is also same. Atleast wiki has those. And abt World one's completion date, if everythng goes well, then by 2016 it should be completed.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 02:07 PM   #585
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i am working on the SSP database and therefor really know the problem. even for only supertalls CTBUH has only limited resources and it always comes back to looking if we have threads for buildings not in the database and what status they are. but sometimes even here information on buildings is scrace, we for example still do not know which of the two height for united international mansion in chongqing is final although it is already completed. and a lot of buildings just disappear without cancellation, which also makes it quite hard to know what buildings really are proposed and which are already on the death bed.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 02:39 PM   #586
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If anyone sees that a definite project is not listed in the CTBUH database, they would be more than welcome to receive information:

http://skyscrapercenter.com/share.php

In the past couple of years, most of their resources have been focused on running conferences than keeping the Skyscraper Center database up-to-date.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 03:05 PM   #587
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Killerzavatar, i've put these two links to give you an idea what it is all abt. That wiki list for completed buildings is 99% accurate and updated.

Wikipedia - List of tallest buildings in Mumbai (again see the completed buildings only )

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CTBUH database for tallest building in Mumbai, completed only

See the differnce. Even some existing buildings are not listed on CTBUH. I would like to see an explanation abt this (not even 50% accuracy figures) from you since u r working for ssp databases.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 03:42 PM   #588
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currently only working on getting all supertalls world wide collected. i am very surprised to hear wikipedia's list is updated, that's a rare occurance, although i hear that german wikipedia is also quite good on skyscraper information.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 03:50 PM   #589
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Killerzavatar, i've put these two links to give you an idea what it is all abt. That wiki list is 99% accurate and updated.

Wikipedia - List of tallest buildings in Mumbai (see the completed buildings )

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CTBUH database for tallest building in Mumbai, completed only

See the differnce. Even some existing buildings are not listed on CTBUH. I would like to see an explanation abt this (not even 50% accuracy figures) from you since u r working for ssp databases.
I just did a quick check on that Wikipedia list. I don't think Kohinoor Square has completed yet, and even if The Ruby has completed by now, it certainly wasn't completed in 2011. I will check on more and make sure that the CTBUH gets updated.
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Vito, are you working on the CTBUH database yourself? if so does CTBUH has a different guideline of adding buildings than SSC and SSP. it looks to me it has a stricter guideline, because when they report news about a project they normally do not immediatly add the building, but wait until they have more information it seems.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 04:10 PM   #591
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Vito, are you working on the CTBUH database yourself? if so does CTBUH has a different guideline of adding buildings than SSC and SSP. it looks to me it has a stricter guideline, because when they report news about a project they normally do not immediatly add the building, but wait until they have more information it seems.
Yes, I work on the CTBUH database. The CTBUH does have certain guidelines that may differ from other sources. First, a project has to have some kind of foundation work going on (not just a hole in the ground), before it is considered as under construction. As far as calling a building completed goes, it has to be topped out, fully clad and at least occupiable. Also, a building cannot be officially ranked unless it has a status of "completed." (This was changed 5 years ago. The original criteria stated that a building could be listed in the official rankings when it topped out).

In most cases, projects have to be verified for accuracy, and have enough information before they are added. That may explain why there are scores of proposals that haven't been added yet. Information is far from complete on buildings less than 150 m. tall, since they currently don't have enough manpower to maintain that many projects.
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 09:53 PM   #592
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As far as calling a building completed goes, it has to be topped out, fully clad and at least occupiable.
Makkah Royal Clock Tower Hotel cannot be fully clad and hence cannot be completed because there are two cranes mounted on the wall.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 02:24 AM   #593
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Makkah Royal Clock Tower Hotel cannot be fully clad and hence cannot be completed because there are two cranes mounted on the wall.
Good catch! Unfortunately my hands are tied on this one, since the CTBUH claimed that it was one of the 20 tallest buildings completed in 2012.
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I just did a quick check on that Wikipedia list. I don't think Kohinoor Square has completed yet, and even if The Ruby has completed by now, it certainly wasn't completed in 2011. I will check on more and make sure that the CTBUH gets updated.
That list is for completed buildings and topped out buildings.

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I just did a quick check on that Wikipedia list. I don't think Kohinoor Square has completed yet, and even if The Ruby has completed by now, it certainly wasn't completed in 2011. I will check on more and make sure that the CTBUH gets updated.
Going by CTBUH rules Kohinoor square is not completed, it is topped out. But i thought t/o buildings are also included there, One world trade center & Macca royal tower clock both r t/o only, not completed yet.

p.s - Kohinoor square has two buildings, one 52 fl & 203m, another 33fl & 117m, taller one is t/o and shorter one u/c.

Edit (added) - except that KS project, all other projects in that wiki list are fully completed.
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Good catch! Unfortunately my hands are tied on this one, since the CTBUH claimed that it was one of the 20 tallest buildings completed in 2012.
well it is already in use though. if in several years people look up when it was finished, reading anything else than 2012, would be misleading, since it was in use all the time, towering beautifully over the city and only one crane seemed to never leave its place
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well it is already in use though. if in several years people look up when it was finished, reading anything else than 2012, would be misleading, since it was in use all the time, towering beautifully over the city and only one crane seemed to never leave its place
I agree. I wanted to point out that CTBUH contradicts its own building status rules. Now CTBUH lists Shanghai Tower as topped out.

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I agree. I wanted to point out that CTBUH contradicts its own building status rules. Now CTBUH lists Shanghai Tower as topped out.
http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/crea...=on&list_year=
Looks like some of the CTBUH staff members don't know how to check construction update photos. I changed it back.
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Thats the site of Lodha's Bluemoon project (site prep). Six towers of 78 floors is gonna be epic.
Has it got all the sanctions ? I am asking about World One. Last heard some issues for sanctioning higher floors ??
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