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Old December 22nd, 2008, 11:53 PM   #181
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Standardised in the UK? You should know they like to do things their own way... Nothing wrong with that. It is what makes them different. What may look impossible elsewhere it may not be so in the UK, or viceversa...

They are still using double-deckers... Why not adapt them to the current needs?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 09:22 AM   #182
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They are still using double-deckers... Why not adapt them to the current needs?
That is the thing, the current model DD's have been adapted for current needs. The Routemaster is just an unrealistic whim of the Mayor that is harking way too much on the past rather than the future.

Same too with his hatred of articulated buses. Some routes in London (the red arrow's for example) are very well suited to them and cannot, in the case of 521 take DD's. So now they are being replaced with single deckers.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 10:34 AM   #183
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So if they are being replaced by single-deckers, how do they go along with capacity?

Or is it that there are less passengers using the buses?

I remember the old times in London, that some lines ( I cannot recall if it was all of them) used to have two Routemasters running together, to cope with the requirement for more space... If that has turned into just a single decker... Something is not being done properly...

But then again, I am not living in London, so I am not aware of all the improvements in other means of transport that could have acquired the passengers lost by buses.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 09:59 AM   #184
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So if they are being replaced by single-deckers, how do they go along with capacity?

Or is it that there are less passengers using the buses?

I remember the old times in London, that some lines ( I cannot recall if it was all of them) used to have two Routemasters running together, to cope with the requirement for more space... If that has turned into just a single decker... Something is not being done properly...

But then again, I am not living in London, so I am not aware of all the improvements in other means of transport that could have acquired the passengers lost by buses.
They are providing the same capacity by providing more buses. The 521 goes from 19 artic to 32 single deckers. That is the irony of it all. The are getting rid of artics because there is a belief they chooke the roads (amongst other things), only to replace them with a larger quantity of lower capacity buses. Ah the joys of newspaper politics.

The other artic route that recently got re-tendered is the 38. There double deckers can run, so they are replacing 47 artics with 72 DD's. I still cannot quite work this one out, because the DD's have about the same seating capacity as the DD (if not more), but that is a good 1/3 increase in vehicles on what is already a very well serviced route.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #185
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Thanks for the comments... You are right.. if the bendy buses have more or less the same capacity as double deckers... What is the justification for the increase in numbers.

I am quite curious why there is such a "campaign" in the UK against articulated buses... Choke the Roads? I am not quite sure I can support that statement... What other reasons are there for not liking them?
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Old December 24th, 2008, 12:42 PM   #186
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What will happen to bendy Citaros when new RMs come?
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Old December 24th, 2008, 12:57 PM   #187
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Thanks for the comments... You are right.. if the bendy buses have more or less the same capacity as double deckers... What is the justification for the increase in numbers.

I am quite curious why there is such a "campaign" in the UK against articulated buses... Choke the Roads? I am not quite sure I can support that statement... What other reasons are there for not liking them?
Other reasons include they are involved in more accidents (don't see how myself) and they take two lanes to turn. On the latter one when I drove an artic bus in Aus I don't recall being told that at training nor experiancing it when driving. Ours took the same space simply because the trailer followed the same track. If I am not mistaking ability to turn is a function of the wheel base not being articulated or not. So any bus with the same wheel base as the tractor unit of the artic should take the same space.

The other factor is apparently fare evasion, because in London the artics load through all doors, not just the front.

As for what operators do with the old artics when they are gone who knows? Not much market for right hand drive artics, guess the operators will absorb them into fleets outside of London.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #188
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I remember the old times in London, that some lines ( I cannot recall if it was all of them) used to have two Routemasters running together, to cope with the requirement for more space...
That comment is your attempt a comedy right....?
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:26 PM   #189
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Wasn't that so?
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:37 PM   #190
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Wasn't that so?
I think you will find they just bunched up so gave that appearance. The same thing happens on most of the inner city routes. You will get 2 or 3 buses close together then a gap before the next.

The same is going to happen with the 38 goint to 72 buses on the route. Traffic jams, slow unloading passengers, they are bound to cause them to bunch up.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #191
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I always thought it was intended..

Yes, 72 buses in one line... Wow! That is something...
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Old December 26th, 2008, 03:17 AM   #192
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The second one is rather intresting, bus second is more like making a square circle
But on the other end the front doors shouldn't be discise as a window.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 01:24 PM   #194
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The rounded front of the second bus reminds me old London double-decker trams
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Old January 1st, 2009, 11:14 PM   #195
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As for what operators do with the old artics when they are gone who knows? Not much market for right hand drive artics, guess the operators will absorb them into fleets outside of London.
we could use them for expressway service in Kuala Lumpur. Send 'em over to Malaysia!

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Old January 2nd, 2009, 08:02 PM   #196
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Can I use this subject to ask is if true that London want to fully retiere their M-B O530G.
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Can I use this subject to ask is if true that London want to fully retiere their M-B O530G.
Correct. Many of them will spend the remainder of their life-span on Scandinavian airports.
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Apart from the ugly front is there anything wrong with them? If so just get a different double-decker and paint it red
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Correct. Many of them will spend the remainder of their life-span on Scandinavian airports.
That's stipid London will regret that, they even don't know how fast.
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