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Old August 20th, 2013, 01:35 AM   #2061
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now we can say goodbye for the 1550 ft nordstrom tower!!!
Most likely no.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 05:36 AM   #2062
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Nothing is confirmed, 1200 FT or 1550 FT, nothing has been confirmed. However, they had a big job to have more air rights, but in the end do not use them? Sure, they could make the tower a bit larger to use these air rights without increasing height tower. But anyway, it's complicated. I hope Robert can shed some light on the topic here!
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Old August 20th, 2013, 05:46 AM   #2063
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I don't see why they would only go for 1200 ft when these multimillion dollar condos are selling so easily.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 06:14 AM   #2064
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It's all hard to judge because we don't know the specifics of the increase in cost as the tower gets higher. Most tower heights get limited because of diminishing returns. It's hard to imagine in this case -- you'd think the top handful of units in a 1550ft tower with CP views would be setting sales records... but without seeing the figures, we can't really know how the extra height will affect Extell's bottom line.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 06:57 AM   #2065
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Does this building have a design yet? I can't find one..
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Old August 20th, 2013, 09:27 AM   #2066
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Does this building have a design yet? I can't find one..
There is no design yet
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Old August 20th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #2067
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Old August 20th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #2068
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gary barnett, please make this one very tall and above 1700 ft!
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Old August 20th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #2069
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I've been waiting for real news here for a long time and watching a demo of a building at tortoise pace . My freakin hair is turning grey and I'm turning wrinkly.

One thing I like to add which worries me was from an interview w/ Barnett a few months back mentioning that he may forgo the full 1550, citing costs to go higher may be a factor being one of them but ultimately final height still undecided. that quote has been stuck in my mind and haunting me in my dreams since then and my fear is he was sort of managing our expectations. Oh yes.. I am afraid.

But fear is a good thing I suppose because once you overcome fear and get the results you desire, you will experience a sense of euphoria. This I'm banking on and I decided to sweep his quote under a carpet somewhere. However, this strategy could back fire.

I feel however I had good vibes from plethora of past articles despite 2 articles I can't stomach. lol

1) Gary Barnett said he like to assemble MORE AIR RIGHTS to go HIGHER. (I am holding this one on him big time)

2) Purchase of the Beethoven Piano building. (Proof he wants to go higher)

3) Inside source mentioned by one of our forumers saying design back in re-design process. My guess to incorporate the new purchase of that Beethoven building and to increase the height and NOT to SHORTEN it.

It would be a real bummer and a real mistake by Barnett by going shorter with this project considering the astronomical prices the top floors are getting with 432 and One57.

This is a LEGACY builder for Extell and Barnett and this will be primed to be a New York Icon and Landmark should he build this to at least its advertised height. Gary & Adrian Smith...don't let me down cuz this is my top 3 projects after 2 WTC and Tower Verre.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:39 AM   #2070
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Couple of things:

I posted a while back about the Art Students League, positing that Extell might buy air rights from them. Well, Extell already did that back in 2006. They bought 140,000 sq. ft. of air rights from the Art Students League. That's a nice chunk of space, equal to 14 stories of 100X100. Article from 2006:

http://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/real-e...th-street/7741


I came across the 2006 article posted on SSP a while back by NYGuy:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=537


As far as the height of 225 W 57th, if 220 CPS is indeed going to be taller than 577 feet, perhaps much taller, it would make sense for Extell to go as high as possible.


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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:41 AM   #2071
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Couple of things:

I posted a while back about the Art Student's League, positing that Extell might buy air rights from them. Well, Extell already did that back in 2006. They bought 140,000 sq ft of air rights from the Art Students League. That's a nice chunk of space, equal to 14 stories of 100X100.

http://www.cityrealty.com/nyc/real-e...th-street/7741


I came across the article posted on SSP a while back by NYGuy:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=537


As far as the height of 225 W 57th, if 220 CPS is indeed going to be taller than 577 feet, perhaps much taller, it would make sense for Extell to go as high as possible.
Is there a thread for 220? i keep hearing that name around that it might be a supertall this and that but i have no clue where the thread is lol
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:54 AM   #2072
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Is there a thread for 220? i keep hearing that name around that it might be a supertall this and that but i have no clue where the thread is lol
Here's the thread. No activity since January:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...ral+park+south
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Old August 21st, 2013, 02:56 AM   #2073
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1350355

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thanks guys lol thats why i couldn't find it
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Old August 21st, 2013, 03:06 AM   #2075
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As far as the height of 225 W 57th, if 220 CPS is indeed going to be taller than 577 feet, perhaps much taller, it would make sense for Extell to go as high as possible.

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Thanks for the info and yea I totally agree plus now with 107 W 57 being 1,200 ft, it would not make sense IMO for Extell making this the same height. What will differentiate Nordstrom tower and make it more appealing is a) Architect and b) the height. Because of this, it will make this even more desirable compared to the rest of the 57th street supertall gang.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 03:22 AM   #2076
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Thanks for the info and yea I totally agree plus now with 107 W 57 being 1,200 ft, it would not make sense IMO for Extell making this the same height. What will differentiate Nordstrom tower and make it more appealing is a) Architect and b) the height. Because of this, it will make this even more desirable compared to the rest of the 57th street supertall gang.
With apartments at 1,000 feet and more possibly selling for $50 million+, I can't imagine that it wouldn't make sense to build as high as possible. The tower portion of 225 W 57th should have a relatively small floor plate, making the cost-benefit ratio attractive. From what we've heard, Extell is already preparing a mammoth excavation for a huge tower, so it doesn't seem that construction costs at the bottom would be a show-stopper for a tower of 1,500 feet instead of 1,200 feet.
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Old August 21st, 2013, 03:37 PM   #2077
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All good points. In fact, the foundation work for this tower is super deep, iirc about 80 feet or so. You don't dig 80 feet into the ground unless you plan something big, really big.
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I wonder in some cases if investors especially from overseas would like to see a final design of a project to provide financing? in this case, since AS+GG had to go back to the drawing board w/ the design.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 12:26 AM   #2079
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NEW YORK | 225 West 57th Street | 472m | 1550ft | 88 fl | Demo
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