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Old August 27th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #2101
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Gary Barnett in a past article mentioned that there will be no cheating to achieve the 1550ft meaning 1550ft would be the height of the roof if he is true to his statement.

My hunch with the purchase of the Beethoven Building the roof height may very well end up higher than 1550 hopefully plus with news of Nordstrom taking lesser space may give Extell more room to play with adding even more height as alluded by MarshallKnight's post above. (best case scenario)

Then if Extell chooses to do so they can even make this sucker taller by adding a spire or a crown on top of whatever the final height may be. My bet it would be a crown if he decides to.

Seems like according to acris, extell is getting their financing in order for this project plus the monies they receive from Nordstrom seems like things are beginning to roll. I'm eagerly waiting for news for the big one for financing from China and hopefully soon we will hear confirmation.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 09:16 PM   #2102
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The other supporting evidence is the DOB filing -- where that 1550 figure comes from -- which goes by the highest occupied floor. That's why we've mostly been thinking of it as ~1600 ft to the roof, since there's likely a bit of mechanical space above even that.

Anyway, I'm a little torn about whether or not I'd like to see a spire here. With one, this could easily surpass One World Trade by every measure. I'd be frustrated if this was 1600 ft to roof, without a spire, and people still thought of the WTC as taller.

But if this was, say, 1600 ft to roof/1900 ft to the tip of a spire, you'd have those same people claiming 225 w57 was taller than other spire-less buildings worldwide with higher roofs (CTF Guangzhou, for example) on those same grounds. And that would also be irritating... as is almost anything to do with the spire debate.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #2103
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Extell Issues Statement on Nordstrom
http://www.globest.com/news/12_679/n...nt-337003.html

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NEW YORK CITY-In an UPDATE to a report this morning, Extell has issued a statement on the Nordstrom purchase of the developer's property at 225 W. 57th St.

The statement reads: Extell and Nordstrom announced today that the high-end retailer is one step closer to bringing its first full-line store to New York City. The new flagship department store will comprise approximately 285,000 square feet at the base of a mixed-use, retail, hotel and high-rise residential tower still in its planning stages.

The department store will occupy seven floors, with street-level entrances on West 58th street, West 57th street, and Broadway. Nordstrom purchased the fee below a plane from Extell, for an initial down payment of $102.5 million, with the remainder of the payments to be made in installments over time. Once complete, Nordstrom will assume a condominium form of ownership of the store. Extell has also successfully secured a new $300M land loan with Blackstone to replace an existing land loan with HSBC.

Additionally, Extell recently completed the assemblage of the development site with the acquisition of the Beethoven Piano building, located on 232 W. 58th St. Upon completion the landmark tower will be one of Manhattan’s tallest buildings.

A call to Nordstrom seeking comment was not returned. The purchase sends a strong message about the retailer's view of New York City, says retail expert Faith Hope Consolo of Douglas Elliman's retail group.

"This clearly shows the confidence that Nordstrom has in the New York City retail marketplace," she says. "Until now, the company has only put its toe in the water but now it is jumping into the market full force. Nordstrom is a force in the department store industry and Manhattan has waited a long time for it to arrive in full force."
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Old August 27th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #2104
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Just stop with the spire talk here, this will just be the first NY tallest building without a spire or antenna or whatever, just roof height.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #2105
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So...will this "1550 ft" be grand total (including a possible spire) or excluding the spire?

1550ft including spire height wouldn't be too exciting... ie: a 1150 roof height + a 400ft spire....blech #thumbsdown
1,550 is supposed to be the height of the highest occupied floor.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 10:33 PM   #2106
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This most likely will end up over 1600 ft if all goes well..taller then 1wtc if were lucky, and shorter then the ESB if we have bad luck lol
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It won't be shorter than ESB unless it gets cancelled. And it'll only get over 1,600 with several mech floors or an open lattice crown. I'm not so sure it'll be that tall.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #2108
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It won't be shorter than ESB unless it gets cancelled. And it'll only get over 1,600 with several mech floors or an open lattice crown. I'm not so sure it'll be that tall.
well im sure there will be mechanical floors as gary said himself there would be..which is why it will most likely be over 1600 ft
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Old August 28th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #2109
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Call me a killjoy, but apart from wishful thinking, what is saying this tower will be 472 m (or 1550 feet as some insists to call it) to the highest floor, instead of total height? The press releases all use words like "one of the tallest on Manhattan" and "Among the tallest in the city" and such, signalling that they can't undeniably lay claim to the title as the tallest. When most people talk about building height, they mean the highest point of the building. Is there a direct statement suggesting that 472 metres isn't referring to that figure?
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Old August 28th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #2110
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Call me a killjoy, but apart from wishful thinking, what is saying this tower will be 472 m (or 1550 feet as some insists to call it) to the highest floor, instead of total height? The press releases all use words like "one of the tallest on Manhattan" and "Among the tallest in the city" and such, signalling that they can't undeniably lay claim to the title as the tallest. When most people talk about building height, they mean the highest point of the building. Is there a direct statement suggesting that 472 metres isn't referring to that figure?
DoB fillings are highest occupied floor..the filling was 1550 ft to the highest occupied floor.
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Old August 28th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #2111
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Call me a killjoy, but apart from wishful thinking, what is saying this tower will be 472 m (or 1550 feet as some insists to call it) to the highest floor, instead of total height? The press releases all use words like "one of the tallest on Manhattan" and "Among the tallest in the city" and such, signalling that they can't undeniably lay claim to the title as the tallest. When most people talk about building height, they mean the highest point of the building. Is there a direct statement suggesting that 472 metres isn't referring to that figure?
Because D.O.B. filings always list the height of the highest occupied floor, in this case the 85th floor. Same thing happened with One57, where it was listed as 927 feet tall. And the tower ended up being over 1,005 feet.
Or 432 PA: the occupied height is 1286 feet, roof 1396ft.

Now take a guess how tall 225W57th is going to be ...
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Old August 28th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #2112
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The press releases all use words like "one of the tallest on Manhattan" and "Among the tallest in the city" and such, signalling that they can't undeniably lay claim to the title as the tallest.
Plus they would use "amongst the tallest" because no one knows what the official height of the World Trade Center will be. (1776ft or 1368ft)

Right now unofficially the WTC is considered the tallest at 1776ft, so accordingly at this point the media can't claim that the Nordstrom will be the tallest.
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Old August 28th, 2013, 09:41 AM   #2113
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That's WITHOUT a spire? :O Will they include one to make it EVEN taller?
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Old August 28th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #2114
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Old August 28th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #2115
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Hm, that settles the matter, I guess. If/when built as planned, it will probably be a really nice tower. Perhaps it will even be considered among the super-famous landmarks of NYC (such as WTC, ESB, Chrysler Building, UN HQ and Rockefeller Center).
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Old August 28th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #2116
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Beethoven Building was the last man standing for Extell to move ahead to move forward with the Nordstrom Project.

After Extell windfall, piano maker finds new West 58th St. home
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/08/...-58th-st-home/

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In July, Extell paid Demler $25 million for the two-story, 4,000-square-foot building at 232 West 58th Street that was home to the piano store. The deal paved the way for Extell to move ahead with plans for 225 West 57th Street, an 88-story residential skyscraper that will stretch 1,550 feet, eclipsing the developer’s own One57, just down the street.
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Old August 28th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #2117
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Sweet news.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 05:58 AM   #2119
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Hmmm. I don't think so
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 06:24 PM   #2120
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Old news but a new nugget. Emailed statement from Barnett's office to the Post.

Nordstrom will open its first New York department store in the bottom seven floors of a future Midtown skyscraper.
http://sourceable.net/nordstrom-buy-...al-skyscraper/

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The Seattle-based retailer has spent US$102.5 million to purchase a plot of land that could become home to a 1,550-foot skyscraper, a height that would rank it among Manhattan’s tallest skyscrapers. The site, located at 225 West 57th Street just south of Central Park, has been planned by real estate mogul Gary Barnett’s Extell Development company wit the design commissioned by Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architects. Nordstorm’s new flagship store will consist of approximately 175,000 square feet of retail space with the ability to span up to 285,000 square feet over seven dedicated floors of the 88-storey skyscraper. The mixed use tower will also include a hotel from floors eight to 12 with the remainder of the floors dedicated to luxury condominiums and mechanical equipment.
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If it weren’t for the city’s One World Trade’s Centre tower’s spire which takes the building’s height to 1,776 feet, the Nordstrom skyscraper would the tallest in Manhattan.

New York’s Buildings Department has not yet approved plans for the new building. “We are simply going through the natural evolution of the design of the building, and we are still developing the necessary plans for approval,” a spokesman for Barnett emailed to the NY Post.

If the skyscraper gets the green light, it will overtake the 1,398-foot 432 Park Avenue building by architect Raphael Vinoly, currently under construction, as well as Extell’s neighbouring project, One 57, a 1004-foot residential skyscraper.
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Super-tall skyscrapers are rapidly altering Manhattan’s skyline with 33 currently under construction and a further 32 proposed according to data from the Council of Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat.
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