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Old September 5th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #2221
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If this rumour would come true, I am just curious what "usafarid" should be thinking right now?
Not to speak negatively about or bully anybody, but I suspect it would go along the lines of "Hope the developer has a change of mind and increase it to 2000 ft instead".
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Old September 5th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #2222
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For those who get woodies over height, my friend who's an architect stated that this is not the project she was referring to that will be released in Sept. and that her project is taller than 1,250'.

It may be the rumoured proposal by SHoP.
The SHoP design will be somewhere downtown from what you've said in the past correct?

Hope all's well RW, thanks.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #2223
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Hi, Yank ees Fan. That's correct. It also could be the Wanda Group's new hotel and condo.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 03:04 PM   #2224
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there's so many towers being proposed and being built, as well as many of them increasing in height i'm getting really confused with them all
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Old September 5th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #2225
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I for one believe him and don't think we're getting trolled just because I don't think 1550 or more is realistic for NYC now. I wouldn't get my hopes up, they always said they may forgo the 1550 feet.
Not sure what to think myself, that said 1550ft is not unrealistic by any means. We already have One57 @ 1000ft+ and 432 @ 1350ft+, I really thought regardless this building was going to top 432 park ave.

We will see
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Old September 5th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #2226
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Good morning all,

as I understand, many here are disappointed with the height reduction. To be honest, until recently I didn't know about the project itself, never mind the 1550' figure. So I guess I'm actually quite happy we are getting a solid 1200 footer here.

Also, there seems to be some disbelief regarding my information. And that's OK, because if I were a long time member of Skyscraper City, I'd probably get a bit suspicious too. I have been a lurker for quite some time now (since 2012 when I became interested in Manhattan buildings, due to the rising significance of the new World Trade Center), and decided to join the forum to provide you guys with some news.

Now let me say / repeat some facts:
1. I never got to see the actual renderings / height figures, meaning it's second-hand.
2. The colleague from which I got my info works at Extell, not me (see previous posts).
3. Thus he has no reason to spread wrong info. Yes, it could be a hype to spread wrong info, but it's very unlikely. I know him pretty well, and there's just no logical reason he would lie to me.

All I can say is, that I just post (inside) information which I have been fed with. No more, no less. It's up to you to decide if you believe it or not.

Me, I'm way too old and too busy with work to jerk around.

Have a nice day all,


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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #2227
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Good morning all,

as I understand, many here are disappointed with the height reduction....
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Your colleague provided precise figures and you have no reason to B.S. Therefore, I believe you. Thanks for the info.

Can you describe the shape a little more?
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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #2228
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Your colleague provided precise figures and you have no reason to B.S. Therefore, I believe you. Thanks for the info.

Can you describe the shape a little more?
Well, the Nordstrom Store will occupy the base, which will be quite massive. If I remember correctly the first 7 or 8 floors will have a slightly different cladding than the rest of the tower. Still green, but not that dark. According to the rendering the base won't be very visible anyway.

The crown won't be that big. It is my understanding that the mechanical floors will be integrated somehow. The illumination will be classy, with some interesting patterns.

Regarding the shape of the tower, there will be 3 setbacks.

Hope I could help.

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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #2229
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Thanks. But could you describe what you mean by curvy? For example, will it be like this SmithGill Tower?



or more like a rounded facade with setbacks like the E-Tower at the HY?
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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #2230
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Thanks. But could you describe what you mean by curvy? For example, will it be like this SmithGill Tower?

or more like a rounded facade with setbacks like the E-Tower at the HY?
Yes, more like a mix of the Hudson Yards Equinox Tower and Trump Tower Chicago, but still unique.

I gotta get back to work now.

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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #2231
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Yes, more like a mix of the Hudson Yards Equinox Tower and Trump Tower Chicago, but still unique.

I gotta get back to work now.

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Thanks. I guess we're getting a variant of Trump Chi (3 setbacks, curved facade, with some black lines).

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Old September 5th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #2232
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I guessing the 'black lines' are what are in many of AS+GG buildings?
like the burj khalifa for example with the lines that sort of separate the facade every set amount of floors?
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Old September 5th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #2233
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I do believe James as well despite the fact I can't get over the height reduction. There had been slight indications that something was going to change with this project prior to James. I cannot deny however that I would not mind if James would make the Troll HOF cuz that means I have my 1550 plus height. Sorry James.

Signs to back up James:
1) Barnett managing our expectations quote
2) Adrian Smith saying that they are working on a 1200 ft tower in NYC
3) New about AS+GG going back to the drawing board.
4) Possible deal betw. Vornado & Extell to allow 220 CPS to proceed which Robert alluded may had been the source of change in this design by repositioning both properties to ensure good views for both projects.

A variant of Trump Chicago and HY E-tower would be interesting.

Ok, so here's a review of details James provided to help us sort of get a good idea of what to expect and envision.

Timeline:
1) Redesign (we all knew this previous James, courtesy of Vito Corleone.
2) New DOB filings for NB are imminent.
3) End of September release of renderings by Dbox.
4) Possible breaking ground by end of the year.

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1) Total height listed at 1253 ft
2) Illuminating Crown
3) Curvy Shape with 3 Setbacks
4) Green cladding with black lines in the form of paneling.
5) Nordstrom store base will have different cladding than the rest of the building.

We all knew that the excavation would take many months to dig because of the planned height of 1550+, but since this is shorter, my guess is that Extell will not have to dig as deep anymore and ultimately now could speed up the process to start construction.

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Old September 5th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #2234
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For those who get woodies over height, my friend who's an architect stated that this is not the project she was referring to that will be released in Sept. and that her project is taller than 1,250'.

It may be the rumoured proposal by SHoP.
Good news! It's nice to know there is a prospect of another supertall that we all don't know about yet.

If this is indeed by SHoP, then afaik, there are 2 sites for supertalls that ShoP are currently doing.

107/11 West 57th street and by the Seaport in Lower Manhattan. I highly doubt it is 107W57 if it will be taller than 1,250ft.

I would love to have another tower 1250 plus to join 1 WTC in the skyline in Lower Manhattan while we are all waiting for 2 WTC to start.

As for Mr. Wanda... Hmmm.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #2235
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They've already built a curvy green tower with setbacks in Moscow. It's called Eurasia.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #2236
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I have some kind of tall green BOA Tower in mind without the spire and clearer setbacks. And curvy of course.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #2237
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Eurasia Tower


It will certainly blend in with central park during the summer season.

Another Green cladded tower

Q1


IDK, honestly I'm a bit on the fence with green cladding, but we shall see. I was hoping for a black cladding with silver for the Nordstrom.

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Old September 5th, 2013, 11:56 PM   #2238
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I don't think an eventual green cladding will be very noticeable in real life anyway, unless they make it intensely green like a neon sign. When viewed from a distance, colours tend to appear fainter, after all. It will be a green tint, for sure, but not exactly be as green as a summer leaf.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #2239
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I like this green tower in NY

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Old September 6th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #2240
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Beats a transparent red rectangular box!

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