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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #2561
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I live in NY too. As much opposition as there is too very tall skyscrapers, people don't seem to understand the need for tall skyscrapers, or simply don't care cause they don't want their views interrupted or don't want the inconvenience of more people living next to them. So long as their is a demand for more living and or commercial space, New York City should strive to fulfill that demand.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #2562
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Old September 26th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #2563
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Hate to be the grouch here....but could we keep the chat down on this page till we hear of impending news?......

Evertime I see an update I think..great. Oh...... we are talking whether NYers like tall buildings........
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Old September 27th, 2013, 02:49 AM   #2564
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I live in NY. People in NYC oppose very tall buildings.
I live in NY. I LOVE TALL BUILDINGS!

I don't think many people in NY care about this architecture. Soon they're going to see so many new buildings under construction and not even notice them until they're above 1,000 feet, because they have to work and everything.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 04:22 AM   #2565
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I think its a vocal minority that opposes tall buildings. Most others (the silent majority) are fine with tall buildings in NY, as long as they aren't built in the middle of the West Village.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 05:52 AM   #2566
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Exactly, you have to be pretty dumb to move to one of the worlds skyscraper capitals and hate tall buildings,

that's like moving to kansas and hating cornfields.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 01:39 PM   #2567
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Couldn't agree more. probably the greatest nimby's are those who live in towers themselves and worry about losing views.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #2568
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All of the above require traveling by car/truck. These workers won't use mass transit.

The nearest subway N/Q/R are below capacity and can handle "ten of thousands" of commuters. (i.e. 25-40 workers).
Getting off topic here...

Sorry but you didn't accurately read what I wrote: hundreds of workers in each building adds up to tens of thousands of new commuters...this is a sum from all the high rises that are U/C or Prop at the moment (you have to include the retail businesses that will fill the lower floors of these structures as well)

Like I said I service these buildings...I know how many people work in them.

Take for example 432 Park simple estimation:
Building staff: 10 to 15 (bare minimum)
Spa: 5+
Private staff: 126 units minimum average: two to four per unit (maid, cook, nanny, butler, personal assistant etc) say 3 per: 378
Retail store: 6 Floors...even at minimum ten per floor including support staff 60-100

Conservative Rough total: 327 daily on site employees could be much higher if with second retail store and larger staffs (ie onsite private club/restaurant etc
400-500 total possible for this one building alone (not including 200-300 residents)

It has been estimated that the Hudson Yards Project alone will have a daily traffic number of 40,000 to 50,000 people.

I was speaking of two issues: one mass transit the other street traffic (obviously a truck would not be arriving by subway....at least not yet)

I love tall buildings too but would never live in one again.

Ok I am done with this...just trying to make conversation while we are waiting for some new news.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #2569
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Exactly, you have to be pretty dumb to move to one of the worlds skyscraper capitals and hate tall buildings,

that's like moving to kansas and hating cornfields.
Isn't there still some big issue with those who don't want to overshadow the Empire State Building with taller buildings, or something?
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Old September 27th, 2013, 11:40 PM   #2570
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Yeah, that was part of Amanda Burden's opposition to the 1250ft version of Tower Verre. Ridiculous considering they're not even close to one another, not to mention that it's a museum city mindset.

But there is an aesthetic component that I can understand (not to Burden's ruling, but the mindset in general). ESB is a natural focal point, in addition to being an all-time classic building. If you're going to change the ESB-as-center-of-Midtown paradigm, it had better be with an A+ building. This is why I hated that fat, ugly 15 Penn Proposal so much, and why I'm so in favor of the Midtown East rezoning plan's design requirements. NY has the greatest skyline in the world, let's not **** it up with uninspired Goliaths. Or to put it another way, if you're going to usurp the King, you had better be prepared to wear the crown (which T.V. totally could have rocked).
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Old September 28th, 2013, 01:54 AM   #2571
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Am I the only one who really liked 15 Penn? I saw great cladding, shape, and proportion.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 02:11 AM   #2572
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Am I the only one who really liked 15 Penn? I saw great cladding, shape, and proportion.
I thought it was great and classy, maybe one day it'll be built.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 02:26 AM   #2573
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Not to derail this too far talking about a building that's for all intents and purposes dead, but in most of the renderings, it looked like the hardshell case ESB came in.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 03:45 AM   #2574
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Gentlemen - lets get back to topic and only to this topic! Thank you
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Old September 28th, 2013, 11:55 AM   #2575
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Not to derail this too far talking about a building that's for all intents and purposes dead, but in most of the renderings, it looked like the hardshell case ESB came in.
They used to say the twin towers were the boxes the ESB and the Chrysler Building came out of.



OT, how far is the demolition progress on site?
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Old September 28th, 2013, 02:29 PM   #2576
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I thought it was great and classy, maybe one day it'll be built.
Something very tall will be built the site of 15 Penn, and it's very likely to be Pelli's tower. If, in 3 or 4 years, the economy is booming, this could quite possibly start at that time.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #2577
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Wow, this thread went pretty crazy the last couple of weeks. I still hope for the 1,550 feet height - New York is so ready for a 500m+ tower.
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Old September 28th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #2578
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^ And NYC should get one too .
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Old September 29th, 2013, 05:19 AM   #2579
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I live in NY. People in NYC oppose very tall buildings.
If you live in NYC and oppose skyscrapers, you shouldn't be leaving there at first place. I advise those people move to long island then at least
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Old September 30th, 2013, 03:54 AM   #2580
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Went by the site today. Finally, they cleared it:

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I wonder if the masonry bracing was there all along or they had to add it.

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Well, that only took a couple of years. Better late than never.
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