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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:23 AM   #2841
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The irony of this whole thing is that many Chinese supertalls are designed by ... you guessed it ... American firms!

- Shanghai Tower, Gensler
- Ping An, KPF
- Guangzhou CFT, KPF
- Wuhan Greenland Center, AS+GG (aha!)
- Tianjin CTF, SOM
- Citic Plaza Beijing, KPF

And I could go on and on ...
Yeah China is where they unload their junk ideas ...
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:37 AM   #2842
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Oh really?







Do I need to continue?
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:39 AM   #2843
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Riley i think that is, a little exaggerated. :P

I only like the 2nd of the 3 Photos, the Jin Mao is to busy, and the red letters on the third scream tacky.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:46 AM   #2844
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Hong Kong doesn't count as China per se.

Hong Kong has its own unique architectural relationship with skyscrapers that sets it apart from the rest of China.

That first one looks like a poor man's Petronas Towers and the 3rd looks atrocious.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:53 AM   #2845
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Jin Mao is above and beyond Petronas, no contest. Kingkey is U/C in that photo, hence the red letters. You seem to be one of those American supremacists who has piles of bias because of the country a building is built in. I'm done with OT, you'll probably never understand anyway.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 04:09 AM   #2846
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First dibs on tower nickname:

Tetris Tower
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 04:39 AM   #2847
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Tetris Tower
Appropriate.

Personally I love the design. I like cantilevers. Gives it a futuristic, sci-fi look.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 05:03 AM   #2848
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I'll try to draw some renders this evening of the tower since all we have right now is blurry. If anyone has any specific angle they'd like, I'll be happy to do it.
Yes, please do one that includes your best estimation of the notch/setback near the crown that I mentioned earlier. It may be that near the top of the tower it steps back from the line of the cantilever to realign with the base. That is what it looks like to me or something close to this. It looks like it steps back only on the eastern side...in other words the cantilever does not go all the way to the crown...
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 05:05 AM   #2849
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Appropriate.

Personally I love the design. I like cantilevers. Gives it a futuristic, sci-fi look.
I think we are quite lucky 220 CPS is in the works. Without it this tower wouldn't have its most interesting feature. Hopefully NYC won't slow down, I really dislike 432 and this being the tallest towers but maybe that won't last too long.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 05:05 AM   #2850
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Yes, please do one that includes your best estimation of the notch/setback near the crown that I mentioned earlier. It may be that near the top of the tower it steps back from the line of the cantilever to realign with the base. That is what it looks like to me or something close to this. It looks like it steps back only on the eastern side...in other words the cantilever does not go all the way to the crown...
Okay, will do. It'll probably be tomorrow. I've got to read 50 pages tonight about the Ebola virus.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 05:05 AM   #2851
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I hope this is not the final render...
I am sure it is not!
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Not feeling this one. Although as some have said, the lower portion isn't that bad.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 06:16 AM   #2853
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I have less of a problem with the cantilever itself and more of a problem with the way it was executed. If there was some sort of exposed structural system or diagrid on the exterior of the building (which was kind of hinted behind the facade in the street level renderings), it could actually a pretty dramatic gesture. But when it looks like a box offset from another box below, it looks like a preliminary massing model at best and a clumsy, elementary design at worst.

Hopefully future renderings will be more promising. I had hoped for something sleek and iconic in this location... so far that promise has come up short.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 08:32 AM   #2854
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For goodness sake I leave this thread for THREE days and it's turned into a pigsty.

I can see all of the anti-minimalism morons have come in and swept the popular opinion by storm. I personally think the tower looks VERY solid. Did you think you were going to get some organic, corny Asian/Dubai design? Those designs only work if the city skyline tapers to a single point, which is definitely not the case with midtown. I think they really dealt the cards right on this building. There aren't any half-ass setbacks, half-ass spires or half-ass thinness, it's a bona fide skyscraper soaring to 1423 feet. No ifs, ands or buts about it. It's mass will dominate the skyline which the likes of 432 park, 107th and Tower Verre can't (not that the aforementioned are bad designs, it's just that they lack mass near the top.)

The tower is different. It plays around with the core box/rectangular concepts in skyscrapers and gives it a modern 2013 spin. I think the cantilever is a rather bold move and is almost a bit unsettling to see it tower above you while hanging over the edge. The base looks impressive too, with lots of detailing and a clear emphasis on high-end architecture.

The only way I can see you oppose the design is if you were hoping for some corny, organic design, which wouldn't suit New York at all. It fits with the skyline and looks good while doing it. I don't see what the problem is. I hope to see this completed the way it is.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 09:29 AM   #2855
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i really enjoy Tetris towers design actually :] it doesn't prove to be anything over special but its at least got some taste with some of that overhang thing(i don't know how to describe that) that is just enough to make me thoroughly enjoy it.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 09:45 AM   #2856
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I don't like the cantilever. New York is a city of graceful step-backs and this is an awkward "step-over" They gotta re-do it.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 12:24 PM   #2857
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The cantilevered volumes remind me some REm Kohlass's works,What i fell about this new tower? first i would to see the final rendering, but remeber people , architecture is not a free discipline: you have a lot of costrictions : budget,context,place, zoning code,construction feasibility (ok this today is not so a problem) but more complexity =more cost , these costrictione are for all buildings, but when you build so high you must multiply costrictions problems x 2 . taking account of all this the verdict is positive. Architecture like expression of these costricitons , like a energy, a form of artificial life that fight and try to emerge in the urban jungle
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But that is beautiful balanced and "complete" design. Can't say this for 225. At least not yet. Not after what I've seen so far. Hopefully more renders will came out soon.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:09 PM   #2860
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For goodness sake I leave this thread for THREE days and it's turned into a pigsty.

I can see all of the anti-minimalism morons have come in and swept the popular opinion by storm. I personally think the tower looks VERY solid. Did you think you were going to get some organic, corny Asian/Dubai design? Those designs only work if the city skyline tapers to a single point, which is definitely not the case with midtown. I think they really dealt the cards right on this building. There aren't any half-ass setbacks, half-ass spires or half-ass thinness, it's a bona fide skyscraper soaring to 1423 feet. No ifs, ands or buts about it. It's mass will dominate the skyline which the likes of 432 park, 107th and Tower Verre can't (not that the aforementioned are bad designs, it's just that they lack mass near the top.)

The tower is different. It plays around with the core box/rectangular concepts in skyscrapers and gives it a modern 2013 spin. I think the cantilever is a rather bold move and is almost a bit unsettling to see it tower above you while hanging over the edge. The base looks impressive too, with lots of detailing and a clear emphasis on high-end architecture.

The only way I can see you oppose the design is if you were hoping for some corny, organic design, which wouldn't suit New York at all. It fits with the skyline and looks good while doing it. I don't see what the problem is. I hope to see this completed the way it is.
I'm the last person here who wishes for a curvy, organic skyscraper in the city, especially this tall. I'm well aware of the fact that a Shanghai Tower like designed tower would look horrible on the skyline. And the Dubai (Marina) Towers I won't even comment.

It's just that we already have 432 PA (which I like btw) at a similar height. Look what SHoP did with 111 West, that's what I call great architecture. Minimalist and boxy shaped skyscrapers are great (love 4WTC!) but we don't need them all over the city, especially when acting like a potential signature tower.
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