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Old October 4th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #2881
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...where are they?
I'm almost positive they're 'shopped. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

On the cantilever thing... I can't say I know yet how I feel about it. The idea that it's somehow impeding on the space of the Arts Students building is ridiculous to me, considering how high up the cantilevered portion starts, and how comparatively slight the overlap is.

I just have trouble with it, visually. Feels like that massive tower is teetering on the brink. Even 432 Park, while slim, looks very grounded to me.

Anyhow, I would put money (maybe not a lot, but some) on the renders shown at the LC hearing being preliminary massing models, necessary for tackling the particular issue of the cantilever. A meeting with a handful of people over a relatively minor permitting issue would seem a silly setting to unveil Extell's signature tower.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #2882
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they are photoshopped.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 12:32 AM   #2883
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They are photoshopped but those would have been so cool if built
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Old October 4th, 2013, 12:42 AM   #2884
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woah those buildings are surreal, where are they?
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Old October 4th, 2013, 03:39 AM   #2885
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NYGUY over at SSP posted that 220 is aiming high so things are getting more interesting.

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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:17 AM   #2886
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I was told by someone with inside information that a massing model was shown merely to depict the cantilever. That is not the final design. That being said, that's very probably the basic shape, but perhaps there will be setbacks, tapering, a crown, etc. She did not state any of thone details. That's my speculation. She merely stated that a massing model was shown -- not the final design.

I could not imagine that great firms like Extell and Smith Gill would produce something so mediocre.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:19 AM   #2887
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I was told by someone with inside information that a massing model was shown merely to depict the cantilever. That is not the final design. That being said, that's very probably the basic shape, but perhaps there will be setbacks, tapering, a crown, etc. She did not state anyof that. She merely stated that a massing model was shown -- not the final design.
Boy, I hope so!
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:21 AM   #2888
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Me too. That would certainly make sense.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:33 AM   #2889
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I was told by someone with inside information that a massing model was shown merely to depict the cantilever. That is not the final design. That being said, that's very probably the basic shape, but perhaps there will be setbacks, tapering, a crown, etc. She did not state anyof that. She merely stated that a massing model was shown -- not the final design.
This is what I'm thinking as well. They where there to merely gain approval for the cantilever only. Extell is not there to gain approval with the overall look as it does not concern those attendees so no need to give the complete design away when they are not ready to make the design official. In fact. Extell does not have to gain approval with the way the tower looks, the height etc to any groups unless it is an issue that would directly effect the appearance of a landmark. The only approval that Extell needs Is from the DOB at this point. The Nordstrom is as-of-right tower.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:35 AM   #2890
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That's correct.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:39 AM   #2891
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I almost vomited when I saw the muddled disgusting mix of stacked boxes and blank glass wall - total crap. Mr. Barnett better not shame NYC with that monstrosity. thank god my toilet doesn't have to suffer the retching of my disgust though, as I applaud all efforts to lambaste such a vile tower, a true crime against NY's aesthetic quality.

I want to see a curved tower portion with a crown and a facade texture of some kind. NO plain flat roof GLASS WALLS towering over CP again. The park must be thought of in the design. A curved tower is contextual with the natural beauty of the park. No industrial glass walls please here Mr. Adrian Smith.

Now excuse me for ranting like a freaking lunatic, but such a tower is amazingly situated, and this is all they could do? The park is 2 blocks away. What a disgusting crime against central park. Can u imagine that awful plain glass wall towering over the park and how ugly it will clash?

IF this is the final render, I'm going to be ridiculously mad and will begin to lose faith in NY developers as having no interest in design at all. I know they are profit driven, but come on, you're in the city building industry and have a bit of an interest, will ya?. This is making me want to become a developer to bring some decent design to this city.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:57 AM   #2892
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This could be a curvy work of art and you would still be complaining either way.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 04:59 AM   #2893
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Wouldn't the fact that a cantilever is even present, means this tower is boxy?
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:06 AM   #2894
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You guys should really stop worrying. Are you guys forgetting the team behind this? This is Gary Barnett and Adrian Smith, no way they will screw it up.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:09 AM   #2895
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Wouldn't the fact that a cantilever is even present, means this tower is boxy?
It probably will be boxy. Also, who knows? Perhaps the final design won't be that different. She merely said that a massing model was shown -- not the actual design.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:16 AM   #2896
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This could be a curvy work of art and you would still be complaining either way.
Nope, what the heck? I love curvy towers.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:28 AM   #2897
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Alright, I'm getting pretty sick of the anti-modernists and the anti-minimalist hate. It's always the same damn thing "oh, it's boxy it's gonna look sooo boring" then afterwards people like how nice the building looks when it is finished. This is 4WTC's or 432 Park's scenario all over again. Besides, Citigroup Center's the only building in NYC I can think of that even has a real cantilever in its design. Not to mention that simple glass cladding is basically the only material that you can just about go nowhere wrong with, especially if it matches the sky in colour.

There are nothing but blurry incomplete sketches and you are all crying over the design.
It might not even be the real design, but this extreme prejudice against minimalism, against linear angles and sheer verticality, and against the chance to build a simple yet creative neo-modernist landmark is pathetic.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:35 AM   #2898
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This has nothing to do with being anti-modernist or anti-minimalist. The tower is just plain ugly! That's it. For the record I love both 4WTC and 432 Park. I hope RW is right in that this was not the final product shown.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:36 AM   #2899
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Alright, I'm getting pretty sick of the anti-modernists and the anti-minimalist hate. It's always the same damn thing "oh, it's boxy it's gonna look sooo boring" then afterwards people like how nice the building looks when it is finished. This is 4WTC's or 432 Park's scenario all over again. Besides, Citigroup Center's the only building in NYC I can think of that even has a real cantilever in its design. Not to mention that simple glass cladding is basically the only material that you can just about go nowhere wrong with, especially if it matches the sky in colour.

There are nothing but blurry incomplete sketches and you are all crying over the design.
It might not even be the real design, but this extreme prejudice against minimalism, against linear angles and sheer verticality, and against the chance to build a simple yet creative neo-modernist landmark is pathetic.
The glass wall is too vertical and offensive so close to the organic nature of CP.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 05:38 AM   #2900
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Half of what you see from most of Central Park is stumpy white brick buildings. Something with strong verticality and fresh glass will be a welcome addition. The other, thinner proposal to the East will also have a sheer vertical glass wall from the parspective of Central Park, almost at the height of this design, yet not one person complains.
People also have to stop acting as if there aren't going to be any more tall buildings in this area of midtown, near Central Park. This will fit in perfectly in 10 years, I'd say.

@Ghostface This is really so ugly? I'd bet the cantilever wouldn't even be visible from most angles apart from the base of the tower itself.
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