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Old December 2nd, 2013, 02:53 AM   #3521
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I wonder how the design for this tower is developing. Let's check in on the architects in their office, shall we?























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Old December 2nd, 2013, 09:07 PM   #3522
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NEW YORK ,111 West 57th | 412m
and 432 park avnue is a 426m building
those two buildings are of 400m+
as a result the nordstrom tower should be a 500m+!!
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 12:10 AM   #3523
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That's terrible logic.
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 02:00 AM   #3524
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NEW YORK ,111 West 57th | 412m
and 432 park avnue is a 426m building
those two buildings are of 400m+
as a result the nordstrom tower should be a 500m+!!
That was an impressively incorrect deduction of how building heights work.
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 03:02 AM   #3525
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Actually if you go by square footage I think that makes sense.
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 05:01 PM   #3526
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Maybe he spends too much time in Chinese / Dubai threads where a buildings's height is often determined by other factors.
according to you , new york city will never have again the tallest building in the world!
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 05:15 PM   #3527
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It won't.
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 05:22 PM   #3528
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NEW YORK ,111 West 57th | 412m
and 432 park avnue is a 426m building
those two buildings are of 400m+
as a result the nordstrom tower should be a 500m+!!
WOW! Never knew you were so smart.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:41 AM   #3529
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according to you , new york city will never have again the tallest building in the world!
The FAA owns the airspace above 2000ft meaning that unless this limit is revised upwards, buildings in American cannot be built taller than 2000ft.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #3530
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Or they should approve such a tower?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #3531
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They have in only one case I am aware of for a TV tower in the Midwest.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #3532
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Let's stay on topic.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 03:46 AM   #3533
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Agreed. How is excavation doing?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 04:54 AM   #3534
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Sorry, but i had to interject, albeit a bit late. There is no way the NYC will ever have the tallest tower again barring a major revolution or upheaval in government. The tallest a building can be there iis 2000ft and NYC is full of air traffic. The flight path into LGA goes up the Hudson and would be very close to megatalls due to low altitude, and there is an approach into JFK for bad weather that goes close to lower manhattan. I doubt very much that the FAA will allow taller ever in NYC than 2k. Even if there were a chance, there isn't much need at all, just vanity. NYC has nothing to prove anymore that requires investment in wasteful follies barring a major decline of decades that would require a Phoenix-style (the bird) relaunch of the city's global image, and that is unlikely I would say, no? Like london, NYC is mature as a city and doesn't need to resort to superlatives.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 05:01 AM   #3535
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How is excavation doing?

Off New York YIMBY:

Construction Update: 217 West 57th Street
BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON DECEMBER 4TH 2013 AT 12:00 PM

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Work is currently concentrated on the eastern side of the lot, and comparing images with the last update reveals several interesting changes – most notable is the bedrock underneath, which is now visible. Manhattan schist was a factor in Midtown’s initial high-rise boom, and 217 West 57th is yet another reminder of how close the skyscraper-friendly substrate lies to the surface.
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217 West 57th Street - photo from Andrew McKeon


217 West 57th Street - photo from Andrew McKeon
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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #3536
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A lot of rubble from old foundations left?
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Old December 7th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #3537
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I'm not crazy about the current look of this thing. Hopefully it's not very close to the final design.
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Old December 7th, 2013, 08:26 PM   #3538
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NYC has nothing to prove anymore that requires investment in wasteful follies barring a major decline of decades that would require a Phoenix-style (the bird) relaunch of the city's global image, and that is unlikely I would say, no? Like london, NYC is mature as a city and doesn't need to resort to superlatives.
Sorry, I must disagree with you there. NYC has nothing left to prove? Todays "wasteful follies" are tomorrow's icons. The Empire State Building, the Eiffel Tower, the Pyramids, were these buildings built to be economically practical?

I'm not pinning this one you, but I have heard this rigamarole here before. Too many people on this site seem to think that "sustainability" is a necessary alternative to architectural merit in austere times. I don't believe that. America used to be about audacity. And skyscrapers are nothing if not ostentatious. And aside from the fact that they are first class global cities, NYC and London have very little in common. In terms of attitude, for better or worse, no city in the world compares to NYC.

No city is ever "mature" or "proven". "Superlatives" are what make cities great. Aside from skyscraper fans, few notice modestly designed architecture. Superlatives are what define skylines.

Just my opinion,of course.

Anyway, back on topic, thanks for the updates! Excavation seems to be progressing well. It looks like there is some rebar in the top of the picture. Perhaps for piling?
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Old December 7th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #3539
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At the bottom left of the photo, we can see the studio windows at the top of the Art Students League building:




Here are some photos of that interior space over the years. There will be a lot less natural light falling on the ASL building due to this new tower, but I suppose an extra $25 million for the cantilever (on top of the $23 million for the air rights) will be adequate compensation.





Note: I blurred out a model's tuchus to protect delicate sensibilities.

Here's a photo of the ASL, the Osborne to its right, and the Nordstrom Tower site to the left, seen before the demolition occurred.

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Old December 7th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #3540
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I guess you could say certain people would be taken aback by that photo if you did not.
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