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Old January 18th, 2014, 02:22 PM   #3681
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In case anyone doesn't know, 220CPS got a height increase to 290m for the highest occupiable floor

So the height to the ceiling + the crown could well be over 300m! Which means Nordstrom has more competition
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Old January 18th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #3682
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Barnett already forced 220 west so he could cantilever east. 220 going a bit higher won't make this taller. The views are clear.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #3683
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Okay, so I don't really know much about that shadow discussion, so I've got a rather stupid question - is it really that "bad"? Will some of Central Park's popular places which are rather open and not covered with trees (e.g. The Pond, CP Zoo, Sheep's Meadow) actually get heavily affected? I know that since we are all skyscraper nerds, most of us probably think "Who cares", but I'd appreciate an objective answer for my (admittedly stupid) question.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 12:11 AM   #3684
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Okay, so I don't really know much about that shadow discussion, so I've got a rather stupid question - is it really that "bad"? Will some of Central Park's popular places which are rather open and not covered with trees (e.g. The Pond, CP Zoo, Sheep's Meadow) actually get heavily affected? I know that since we are all skyscraper nerds, most of us probably think "Who cares", but I'd appreciate an objective answer for my (admittedly stupid) question.
Long shadows have been cast over the south end of Central Park since the 1920s. Aside from the The Pond and Heckscher Playground, much of that end has an ample tree canopy that is only mildly affected by shadows. Wollman Rink could be somewhat affected if supertalls were built immediately on CPS (none are). The Zoo might also be affected if a tower tall enough were built as such and that would be a big rallying cry because of concerns for animal welfare. The broad, open spaces are further north and would not be affected by shadows at all (unless supertalls sprouted along CPW).
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Old January 19th, 2014, 02:55 AM   #3685
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I still think that design is fantastic!

It's a shame it's just me though...
Is that the current design? It looks like it, but I'm not sure it is. But if this is the current design, then the main reason people don't like this tower is that most of them have seen it from this angle:



And this rendering is part of this rendering:



And the other reason is that it has a lot of cantilevers, but the cantilevers are not as stylish as buildings such as 56 Leonard Street.


217 West 57th Street



I also like 23 East 22nd Street:

[img]https://encrypted-tbn1.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRl1gWJRw6pHZ2cLHk_684b1ZTrhpx3BbzG_VcnlD1ud6HC5Qckig[/img]

A third, more minor reason is that 111 West 57th Street and One57 have such great designs. Look at them:


One57


111 West 57th Street (the yellow and black tall building in the middle)

So these designs, in comparison, make 217 West 57th Street look average.

In my opinion, the design's okay. I could be better; it could be worse. But I guess many people like it a little more because of its extreme height. It could be 1,550 feet, making it the second tallest building in New York and the United States.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 05:40 AM   #3686
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What is this image from? it seems very familiar.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 06:53 AM   #3687
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Violent Saturday. Learn to reverse image search it is very useful.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #3688
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The hole is getting deeper. From today (Sunday):

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Old January 27th, 2014, 02:24 AM   #3689
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And we still do not have renders.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #3690
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I hope they'll install some webcams here like 432Park.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #3691
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Extell's plans aren't even set yet, as they don't know if the ASL will approve the cantilever and air rights sale.
I hope they don't approve it so they can shelve that horrendous massing, and for all you height enthusiasts, that will certainly mean a height increase...but money talks so I doubt it'll happen.
Wasn't the ASL supposed to vote on the cantilever some time in January?
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Old January 27th, 2014, 11:02 PM   #3692
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Here's the ASL Board's argument to its members for voting "yes" on the cantilever and transfer of 6,000 square feet of air rights. NY Guy posted it on SSP a while back. The text says the ballots were to be mailed in late December, so the results should be known fairly soon.


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Old January 30th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #3693
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I hope they'll install some webcams here like 432Park.
Indeed, One57 would be the perfect tower for this.
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Old January 30th, 2014, 09:06 PM   #3694
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The bottom part of this tower looks like a big mess.
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Old January 31st, 2014, 12:13 AM   #3695
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THIS one is dragging on like forever. I'm losing my patience. Lets get this student league vote done with already!!! gosh. lol.
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Old January 31st, 2014, 12:40 AM   #3696
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I am starting to hate this development. 107 and HY ftw.
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Old January 31st, 2014, 03:25 AM   #3697
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220 CPS is still going to block some of the Central Park views from this building to a height of over 900 feet, despite the cantilever over the ASL. Given this, I wonder if Extell and the architects would consider angling the portion of the tower between say 300-1000 feet towards the open view of the Park, to the right of 220 CPS. This would de-emphasize the blocked views. The portion of the tower above the top of 220 CPS could be re-oriented toward the north. This might make for a distinctive appearance.

If you look at an aerial of the Time Warner Center, it looks like the same issue was a consideration when the angle of those towers was chosen.


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Old February 2nd, 2014, 04:43 PM   #3698
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Art Students League revolts over building plan

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It’s a lot of money — and a big chunk of skyscraper — to dangle over a historic Manhattan art school.

The Art Students League in Midtown is pushing its members to approve a $31.8 million deal with Extell that would allow part of a new 1,400-foot luxury tower (right) to be cantilevered over its West 57th Street building.

One mailing to members threatens that if they vote no, “We get Zilch! And a taller building next door.”

Not all league members are quick to jump on the cash, and some have formed a coalition to oppose the deal.

“It’s an enormous tower and a third of it is going to be hanging in the air above our building if the deal goes through,” said Richard Caraballo, a member who is leading the charge.

Aesthetically, it’s the worst thing that came down the pike since Penn Station,” said Beth Kurtz, a lifetime member.

New York art school hopes controversial £19m deal with developers of Extell Building will safeguard its existence for generations

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However, a growing number of League members are trying to delay the 12 February vote on the deal. They claim that the League is rushing members into something they may regret. Sceptics want more time to weigh up the proposals and consider any possible danger to the League's building or its members during the five-year building period and after the tower is completed.

League members cannot stop the tower going up, but they could block the overhanging cantilever or force more analysis of the plan. "The League is too beautiful and too venerable to be messed with like this," said member Beth Karts. "Some things in this world, like the League, are worth a lot more than money."
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 05:29 PM   #3699
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It's not up to them to decide?
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 05:11 AM   #3700
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I don't know the politics of the situation, but if the league has any say I'm all for them being able to say it. Anyone who likes good architecture surely must like good art and all the essence of artistic thought and creativity. From what I've seen so far, the design (or massing) of this building is sorely lacking in both. It's going to be tall no matter what... why not make it good too?
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