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Old February 13th, 2014, 09:55 AM   #3801
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if the non cantilevered version is chosen, i feel as though the cladding choice will be make or break for my opinion. I'm not a fan of tapering above the base like that. Subtle tapering like 1 WTC is fine, but this would be too striking.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #3802
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Apparently a YES vote

A comment to a curbed.com article on the vote earlier today stated the following:

15. guest, 2/12/14 11:00pm
I am an ASL member and I voted NO tonight, but alas the majority voted yes so the ugly cantilever will proceed.
I voted NO because I think the deal is worth at least double. I was willing to walk away and call Extell's bluff. But my fellow artists were not confident in the leverage we wielded in the deal.


So it's finished apparently and the cantilever wins. Can only hope for more detailed renderings soon and maybe, just maybe, the original 1550' height. Surely Barnett is aware this could be the highest roof in North America if he just makes it at least 1451' high...
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Old February 13th, 2014, 12:49 PM   #3803
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It really hurts to see the 1,550 figure when you know the tower will be slighty over 1,400ft tall.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 02:50 PM   #3804
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Is it too late to push it up to 1,550 or is that still up in the air at this point?
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Old February 13th, 2014, 03:13 PM   #3805
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Is it too late to push it up to 1,550 or is that still up in the air at this point?
The tower will be ~1,430ft tall.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 05:06 PM   #3806
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Huge League Majority Votes To Take Extell Cash For Air Rights

"members voted 1,342 to 227 to accept the cash for its air rights", over at curbed and at the observer.

Not unexpected. Too bad about the height. Hopefully we'll now at least get to see the design soon.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #3807
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Bad design and mediocre height, this development is nothing but a disappointment. I'll wait until final renderings are revealed, so this saga can finally be closed.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #3808
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So it's a definite 1424 and theirs no way it could be pushed up?
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #3809
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I speculate that this project will be a taller version of this Toronto proposal. AS+GG design

posted by: cruzin4u

54-storey office tower[/B]. The rounded, sculpted design is by Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architects of Chicago."

As mentioned above, this will no longer have a "residential" component. It will be a 54-storey (265 metre/869 foot high) office building.

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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #3810
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So it's a definite 1424 and theirs no way it could be pushed up?
It still can. Gary hinted it even w cantilever.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #3811
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It still can. Gary hinted it even w cantilever.

For God's sake it's not going to be pushed up, this is NYC where they build as short as possible.

The news is disappointing but that's nothing new.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:48 PM   #3812
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To be honest, I'm happier about the lower height.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #3813
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For God's sake it's not going to be pushed up, this is NYC where they build as short as possible. The news is disappointing but that's nothing new.
Yea . I'm just trying to keep the hope up. Lol rah rah rah!
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #3814
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well that Gary guy did say something about noticing that the apartments higher up sell at a faster rate, so saying they build as short as possible is nonsense when these companies know that height sells
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #3815
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But it's not height, it's views. The One57 units that were not selling were the ones with their views impeded by the surrounding buildings.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #3816
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For God's sake it's not going to be pushed up, this is NYC where they build as short as possible.

The news is disappointing but that's nothing new.
I guess we'll just ignore the fact that this tower is still over 400m tall and will join another four 400m+ buildings in the next decade.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #3817
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But it's not height, it's views. The One57 units that were not selling were the ones with their views impeded by the surrounding buildings.
I think the reason for this is more because of the price point for those mid-level units. The asking may be too high and needs to be adjusted accordingly and sales should pick up with those apartments. I’m just giving an example.. Instead of $15 m, lower it to $4-$6m range and those will sell. People are buying apartments at that price range all the time in NYC that would not even give the views those lower mid units at one57 can still offer.

Now back to the Nordstrom, the benefit with building taller is offering more units with unimpeded views that can sale for $90 M and up. More of those mean more greenbacks in his pocket. This is where Gary can make up and make more by lowering the price for those lower mid units that will be in the Nordstrom Tower.

Also, because of other nearby developments such as the Steinway, 220 CPS and 432 PA, Gary needs to make his project stand out as the competition will be stiff. I am sure they are seriously taking a hard look at this, deciding if they should go taller and hopefully taking into consideration the design can make and break this project.

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Old February 13th, 2014, 08:21 PM   #3818
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But we can't forget that going taller will also mean building narrower, even with the cantilever, which will mean smaller floorplates for those blockbuster apartments.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 08:31 PM   #3819
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True, but without the Cantilever it's been reported they would go taller and we had already seen what it may look like without it and it's definitely a narrower taller building.

But now with the Cantilever if Gary does decides to go taller, the floor plates are actually larger for those blockbuster apartments. Obviously the Cantilever is their preference because of this while offering a bit better views for those lower mid level units and now it's just a matter if.. they decide they want to maximize their profits by offering more of those apartments selling north of $90m by increasing the towers height. All I'm just saying it makes more sense to do it than without the cantilever version.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #3820
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the taller version would necessarily have to be narrower, because of the maximum buildable square footage. As in, there can't be a version that's both wider and taller.

Edit: That is to say, I'm sure Gary would love to build a cantilevered version with the extra wide floor plates, to 1550 ft., but I don't believe he has the rights to do it.
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