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Old February 25th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #3881
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People are so stupid... just build the building without the cantilever already, the air rights are to 1550, just build it and get it done with. Enough of this annoyance.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 07:43 AM   #3882
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400 million dollars!!!???!!! Where in the f¥<k did the they get those figures??
I could see the cantilever increasing the value of the rest of Extel's airrights that much by improving the views around 220CPS.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 08:07 AM   #3883
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People are so stupid... just build the building without the cantilever already, the air rights are to 1550, just build it and get it done with. Enough of this annoyance.

Extell wants that cantilever because otherwise 220 CPS will protrude about 30 feet directly in front of this tower up to 950+ feet. With the cantilever in place, the edges of the buildings line up almost exactly (western edge of Nordstrom tower with the eastern edge of 220 CPS).
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Old February 25th, 2014, 08:49 AM   #3884
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Extell wants that cantilever because otherwise 220 CPS will protrude about 30 feet directly in front of this tower up to 950+ feet. With the cantilever in place, the edges of the buildings line up almost exactly (western edge of Nordstrom tower with the eastern edge of 220 CPS).
Well sometimes you have to make sacrifices so your building can be a little taller and not look terrible.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:59 AM   #3885
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Well sometimes you have to make sacrifices so your building can be a little taller and not look terrible.
Except its an apartment building that they plan to market on the views they can offer. Height ultimately doesn't matter sans potential income and bragging rights; the building could look like a crusty sock and it'd sell if the actual units were desirable enough.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 04:43 AM   #3886
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Very true, I just wanna see NY/the USA get a 1500 foot building really bad
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Old February 26th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #3887
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Very true, I just wanna see NY/the USA get a 1500 foot building really bad
I understand that, but NYC (and Boston and Philly) are essentially 400 years old... way past the age of needing to attract attention to themselves by anything than what they have to offer. The Empire State Building (and even others before it) established New York as a skyscraper world capital and now it's time for younger cities like Dubai and even the modern version of Shanghai to call attention to themselves in that manner.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #3888
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Shanghai a younger city!?

Just because NY has been around a while (It's not even an old city, London and Istanbul, Athens, Beijing, Rome etc. are old cities) doesn't mean it should lose its desire to build as tall as possible, even if it won't have the worlds tallest building again.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 11:31 PM   #3889
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Just because NY has been around a while (It's not even an old city, London and Istanbul, Athens, Beijing, Rome etc. are old cities) doesn't mean it should lose its desire to build as tall as possible, even if it won't have the worlds tallest building again.
Demographics. All developers care about is chasing high returns. If I gave you $1 billion dollars, where are you going to invest it? In a city that is guaranteed to have high growth for at least another decade, or one that has already reached a critical mass?

Most of the major urban areas of China have absorbed about as much investment as they can - for the time being - and much of that money is going to find other markets (London, Chicago, San Francisco). We won't really see 600m towers, unless NY sees a significant uptick in population growth: it's growing, but not as quickly as its peers.

It's for this reason that I wish people would understand how vital it is to construct affordable housing, and rental units. The future of the city will always hinge upon its ability to attract young individuals. At the moment, many cities (SF, DC, etc) are failing in this respect. We can't keep pricing people further and further out on Long Island, especially given how little transit many of those areas have. It's not sustainable.

I just wish this administration would define what they mean by "affordable," because too many people seem to think they just mean housing projects (that experiment is already over).
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Old February 26th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #3890
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Don't get your panties in a bunch. I said, "... the modern version of Shanghai." And New York City doesn't have a desire. It has a mystique and a history. The people within it have desires, and it's up to them as individuals to want to build something tall.

In order for a city to be seen as a center of business, one of the calling cards is tall buildings. They're symbols of wealth, power and business. New York has had them for literally more than a century. Shanghai hasn't. The modern version of Shanghai (the past 15-20 years or so) is a city which is redefining itself, and part of doing that is building a bunch of tall buildings.

Peace out.

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Old February 27th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #3891
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Demographics. All developers care about is chasing high returns. If I gave you $1 billion dollars, where are you going to invest it? In a city that is guaranteed to have high growth for at least another decade, or one that has already reached a critical mass?

Most of the major urban areas of China have absorbed about as much investment as they can - for the time being - and much of that money is going to find other markets (London, Chicago, San Francisco). We won't really see 600m towers, unless NY sees a significant uptick in population growth: it's growing, but not as quickly as its peers.

It's for this reason that I wish people would understand how vital it is to construct affordable housing, and rental units. The future of the city will always hinge upon its ability to attract young individuals. At the moment, many cities (SF, DC, etc) are failing in this respect. We can't keep pricing people further and further out on Long Island, especially given how little transit many of those areas have. It's not sustainable.

I just wish this administration would define what they mean by "affordable," because too many people seem to think they just mean housing projects (that experiment is already over).
If you gave me one billion dollars, that money is going into London. Or New York. Or Paris. It's certainly not going into a city like Dubai, or Shenzen or any of the other rapidly growing upstart cities. Too much risk. Way too much risk.

In a thousand years, people will still be buying property in central London. And people will still be renting Manhattan apartments. There's absolutely no guarantee that anything in the Middle-East or East-Asia is that permanent or stable. Especially with China's slowing expansion and the peak-oil situation in Arabia.

You know who invests in rapidly expanding economies? People who are rich, people who can afford to take a chance on an emerging economy. Get in on the ground floor of a housing boom. You know who invests in stable, predictable economies? People who are wealthy.

There isn't a safer place on Earth to invest in property than Manhattan Island. Except maybe parts of London. The economy is so diverse and protected from collapse. It's a rock. Almost literally. We're still in the doldrums of the biggest economic crash in a century and there's ten supertalls being built in New York right now.

You're right that New York doesn't need to build tall to attract attention. It doesn't need to, but it can. And it is. That's a luxury very few cities have.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #3892
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The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 06:23 AM   #3893
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Did you guys see the skyscrapers series with One57? Please tell me that huge model in Barnett's office will be the Nordstrom tower.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 06:33 AM   #3894
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Did you guys see the skyscrapers series with One57? Please tell me that huge model in Barnett's office will be the Nordstrom tower.
ANY pics of that model? Could it be that the Nordstrom Tower, feared to be a hulking, cantilevered mess wll actually turn out to be a glorious addition? Can we at least dream about it if only for a brief moment of sheer supertall bliss?
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Old February 27th, 2014, 07:21 AM   #3895
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Did you guys see the skyscrapers series with One57? Please tell me that huge model in Barnett's office will be the Nordstrom tower.
Yeah and the narrator says when Barnett grabs the model "what no one forsaw is what came next". Hmm its interesting they give that shot of Barnett with the model when he says that...haha im probably reaching
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Old February 27th, 2014, 08:20 AM   #3896
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would be surprised if Gary snuck in a 217 w 57th cameo, but stranger things have happened.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 08:25 AM   #3897
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ANY pics of that model? Could it be that the Nordstrom Tower, feared to be a hulking, cantilevered mess wll actually turn out to be a glorious addition? Can we at least dream about it if only for a brief moment of sheer supertall bliss?
Let's not get our hopes up too much.. Ghostface, do you have a youtube link or pic?
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Old February 27th, 2014, 08:53 AM   #3898
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Let's not get our hopes up too much.. Ghostface, do you have a youtube link or pic?




I think they are referring to that huge massing model in the left of both pics? I would really like that for the Nordstrom.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 10:37 AM   #3899
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Wow, a beauty for sure. Fingers crossed that's the design!
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Old February 27th, 2014, 11:35 AM   #3900
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I'll cross my fingers but that looks an awful lot like the scrapped 1300 ft original version of One57.
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