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Old April 16th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #4081
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It's gonna be taller than 1WTC, that's all that matters to me. This is incredible news and I am very happy about it. Sure, 1 550 would have been better but 1 440 is still going to make it the tallest building in the city. I hope we gonna see a final design soon

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Old April 16th, 2014, 02:09 PM   #4082
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Once again, not to dredge up the same old argument, but 1WTC is officially - and unofficially - 540m high.

You can keep trying to make it stick all you like, but this building won't be considered by anyone but the most diehard of reclusive enthusiasts to be taller than 1WTC.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #4083
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you aren't just some type of bug, you are some kind of pest. your post is an oxymoron, you ARE dredging up the same old argument!

anyway, i dont know how sure we can be about the 1440 figure from this one article from some law journal. why do we assume this guy is the most informed? we have seen too many different height figures to assume anything.

all we can do is wait for the official announcement / renderings.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 04:34 PM   #4084
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'Not to' means not wanting to. It's an idiom and you know that because we're from the same part of the world. And as I didn't dredge up the same old argument, instead I merely corrected someone else's misconception, you'd still be wrong anyway. Sorry.

Trying to force 217's position of dominance over 1WTC based on no evidence and no accepted definition is disruptive and annoying and leads nowhere. No-one has or ever will care about spire versus roof outside of the enthusiast community, and it is that exact community who has the knowledge to understand both are acceptable definitions anyway. So the whole thing is swings and roundabouts for the sake of personal egos and petty one upmanship. I expect better from these forums, frankly.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #4085
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As VG stated this is great news and really does not mean anything in terms of the height. This was the last piece of the puzzle so they can proceed exactly how they want. The 1440 could also mean anything...highest occupied floor, roof, spire, crown, etc we still do not have those details.

I do still hope we see 1450+ but either way it looks like this will be the tallest roof in NYC.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:43 PM   #4086
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The height of the 1440’ came from this court document on the ruling. Take it as you will.

Justice Melvin L. Schweitzer
Decided: April 14, 2014

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Richard Caraballo, et al., Plaintiffs v. The Art Students League of New York, et al., Defendants, 650522/14
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The League owns the American Fine Arts Building located at 215 West 57th Street, New York, New York. Amended Complaint, ¶11. In 2005, Extell purchased air rights from the League (2005 Transaction) to construct an 88-story building on the lot adjacent to the League's building, located at 225 West 57th Street. Amended Complaint, ¶13.

In 2013, Extell made plans to construct a residential tower on its lot, a portion of which would cantilever over the League's building. The tower's lower stories would be occupied by Nordstrom, Inc. (Nordstrom), a retail department store, which already bought that portion of air space within the tower. Tr., Part 1. 104: 24.

The proposed cantilever portion of the residential Extell tower would start at the 30th floor, and would rise to 1440 feet in height.

Accordingly, Extell approached the League with the intent of acquiring an additional 6,000 square feet of the League's
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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #4087
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How is this building supposed to stand without falling down?

Amazing design, I love it.

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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #4088
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How is this building supposed to stand without falling down?

Amazing design, I love it.

Similar technique used to build The Beetham Tower in Manchester, UK.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #4089
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The height of the 1440’ came from this court document on the ruling. Take it as you will.

Justice Melvin L. Schweitzer
Decided: April 14, 2014

DECISION AND ORDER


Richard Caraballo, et al., Plaintiffs v. The Art Students League of New York, et al., Defendants, 650522/14
http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/id=...#ixzz2z402R08x

If we wanted to get really knit-picky we could say that maybe only the cantilevered portion of the building will reach 1440 and maybe if it does have a slanted roof then the portion of the top that isn't cantilevered could still be taller than that...
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Old April 16th, 2014, 06:57 PM   #4090
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How is this building supposed to stand without falling down?

Amazing design, I love it.
It's all to do with weight distribution and positioning.
The core of the building won't be in the cantilever itself, it will be to one side, which alone takes off a great weight, as well as the concrete being super strong

I suspect the cantilever part of the tower will be constructed using steel with it being light weight.

The core and other parts of the structure usually reduce in size gradually as it grows further towards the top shredding weight above.

It is incredible to think that this will be a 1400+ feet building with a cantilever!
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #4091
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Would it be the tallest cantilever? I assume yes.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #4092
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Apparently tower42 in London is the tallest cantilevered building in the world atm with a total height of 183m!
So this will be around 2 and a half times taller, impressive
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #4093
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This should hold the tallest cantilever title for decades. China and the Middle East have no reason to cantilever. NYC is the only place it could happen.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 08:42 PM   #4094
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I think we should take the 1440' figure with a grain of salt, they could have well been rounding the 1435' figure seen on the DOB. We don't know if that's finalized either.
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Apparently tower42 in London is the tallest cantilevered building in the world atm with a total height of 183m!
So this will be around 2 and a half times taller, impressive
nice tidbit.. I always had wondered about this. cheers.
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Old April 17th, 2014, 12:03 AM   #4096
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Apparently tower42 in London is the tallest cantilevered building in the world atm with a total height of 183m!
So this will be around 2 and a half times taller, impressive
Doesn't Citigroup Center count as a cantilevered building? And what about "The Centre" in Hong Kong?
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Old April 17th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #4097
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Seriously, they would. They don't really care at all about such details. If the powers that be say it is the tallest, spire or no spire, the average person would be perfectly fine with that.
Dude, it's his thing. Just let him have his thing. We all have things.
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Old April 17th, 2014, 05:08 AM   #4098
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This fixation on height is a really fascinating manifestation of autism.
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This fixation on height is a really fascinating manifestation of autism.
I notice skyscraper fans from the US focus on the height to the exact foot whereas people from other countries don't care as much, as long as a tall building is built everyone's happy.

It would be nice if Sears could finally be dethroned as highest roof but anything over 1400 feet is giant anywhere in any case.
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Old April 17th, 2014, 06:07 AM   #4100
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you aren't just some type of bug, you are some kind of pest. your post is an oxymoron, you ARE dredging up the same old argument!

anyway, i dont know how sure we can be about the 1440 figure from this one article from some law journal. why do we assume this guy is the most informed? we have seen too many different height figures to assume anything.

all we can do is wait for the official announcement / renderings.
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'Not to' means not wanting to. It's an idiom and you know that because we're from the same part of the world. And as I didn't dredge up the same old argument, instead I merely corrected someone else's misconception, you'd still be wrong anyway. Sorry.

Trying to force 217's position of dominance over 1WTC based on no evidence and no accepted definition is disruptive and annoying and leads nowhere. No-one has or ever will care about spire versus roof outside of the enthusiast community, and it is that exact community who has the knowledge to understand both are acceptable definitions anyway. So the whole thing is swings and roundabouts for the sake of personal egos and petty one upmanship. I expect better from these forums, frankly.
You Know what, I'll go with the Forum Member who has, well, He's been around longer, He watches, He learns, and then, He Posts,, and has "watched,,, well, many posts", and isn't jumping to Post, "whenever", I'm going with the more experienced member here
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I say this because if One of us were on a rooftop,, we want to know which is highest,,, as we Look, well, down, upon the Earth, we cannot climb antennas or Spire's and feel the same.. So Rooftop's are very Important to ME, and other's,, and that's just Reality, You're going to ALWAYS, have 2 different opinions!
So You will alway's have 2 different opinions. Rooftop VS. Spire/antennae.
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