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Old June 24th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #4241
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Does the depth of the foundation give any indication to how high the building may be?
In general yes but the foundation of a 1400 foot building and the foundation of a 15-1600 foot building would probably not be noticeably different.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 05:38 AM   #4242
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In general yes but the foundation of a 1400 foot building and the foundation of a 15-1600 foot building would probably not be noticeably different.
Yeah that's a good point. Compared to one57, 432, or One WTC, is this foundation already getting deeper?
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Old June 24th, 2014, 03:13 PM   #4243
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Iirc the foundation will be up to 80 feet deep.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 04:25 PM   #4244
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Amazing how deep that hole already is!
That's what she said!
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Old June 24th, 2014, 04:26 PM   #4245
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Because she's an architect student and is doing her final thesis on foundation design and construction.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 07:42 PM   #4246
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Iirc the foundation will be up to 80 feet deep.
Probably down to the bedrock, I guess.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 10:02 PM   #4247
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Iirc Manhattan has bedrock rather close to the ground so I expect all of these tall towers to go to bedrock
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Old June 25th, 2014, 04:37 AM   #4248
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DOB filing is finished they have applied for a construction permit (scaffolding) and now instead of saying proposed building height it says "building hieght (ft): 1550
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Old June 25th, 2014, 04:43 AM   #4249
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Iirc Manhattan has bedrock rather close to the ground so I expect all of these tall towers to go to bedrock
How do you know this? Are you a geologist?
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Old June 25th, 2014, 04:44 AM   #4250
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DOB filing is finished they have applied for a construction permit (scaffolding) and now instead of saying proposed building height it says "building hieght (ft): 1550

That doesn't mean they will use the full height. We must wait and see the final render.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 04:47 AM   #4251
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No it does not but this late in the game still posting 1550' "just in case they want to" seems a little odd
Copied from the DOB page:
Designations?
Occupancy Classification: R-2 - RESIDENTIAL: APARTMENT HOUSES Yes No
Construction Classification: I-B: 2 HOUR PROTECTED - NON-COMBUST Yes No
Multiple Dwelling Classification: HAEA
Building Height (ft.): 1550
Building Stories: 88
Dwelling Units: 233
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Old June 25th, 2014, 04:58 AM   #4252
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How do you know this? Are you a geologist?
This is commonly known for people into construction of NYC skyscrapers that the bedrock is almost at surface both in midtown and down town (hence the clusters) there is actually a piece of the bedrock above ground in central park, or so they say it is I have never dug a hole to bed rock myself.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:16 AM   #4253
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No it does not but this late in the game still posting 1550' "just in case they want to" seems a little odd
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Occupancy Classification: R-2 - RESIDENTIAL: APARTMENT HOUSES Yes No
Construction Classification: I-B: 2 HOUR PROTECTED - NON-COMBUST Yes No
Multiple Dwelling Classification: HAEA
Building Height (ft.): 1550
Building Stories: 88
Dwelling Units: 233
I have to agree, if the application is complete and the height is the same, there's a very good chance this I what we will get. From the little I know of DOB they should at least have a diagram if not a render of the tower in order to approve this application and judging from the latest pictures of the site, it seems like it won't be too long till they start foundation work so it's a bit late for more design changes. But again we won't know till we see some renderings.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:24 AM   #4254
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Gary Barnett said that they won't be using a spire to obtain any height he claimed that it was cheating so I doubt that they will use a spire....
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #4255
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This tower will either be to roof height or they will use a crown.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:36 AM   #4256
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There's no evidence yet. It could be just a spire to that height. We don't know what the ROOF height will be. As we know, Spire height is everything, so at least we know that the building will be tall even if it's a 1300foot toothpick spire on top of a 20 story building.
DOB doesn't take into account spires or crowns, the height they provide is up to the roof.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 06:30 AM   #4257
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Highest occupied floor, actually, so the roof could conceivably be even higher.

That said, I'm inclined to believe that the new document is just a continuation of the same number we've had in the filings all along and doesn't necessarily represent the height we'll be getting. I do hope I'm wrong though.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #4258
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How do you know this? Are you a geologist?
This is common knowledge, if you had watched the construction of 432 you would have seen that the Bedrock was literally at street grade in that location
two of the townhouses demolished did not even have basements as they sat right on the bedrock. They blasted and drilled rock for 6-9 months at 432 before they poured the first footings.
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Old June 26th, 2014, 05:00 AM   #4259
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It's likely they just haven't updated the DOB yet, I still wouldn't get my hopes up for 1550'

Not trying to be a debbie downer of course







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Old June 26th, 2014, 05:12 AM   #4260
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I asked a friend of mind who's familiar with DOB and that's exactly what he said, Extell may not have submitted it's updated application yet so we're still in a wait and see mode.
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