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Old July 9th, 2014, 04:35 PM   #4361
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I knew AS+GG would pull through with an awesome design! Though I think that the official renders will have more detail and I can't wait to see it's effects on the skyline!
Also 217 pg, ironic?
This is a 3d model by Otie, based on the schematics of the building. They aren't an official render.

We can be somewhat confident about the height figures, but even those may be subject to slight tweaking (*cough* spire *cough*).
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Old July 9th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #4362
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I'm pretty sure this isn't by that Otie guy though... Oties renders are only to show the design in context with it's surroundings and to give a clearer view of the building:

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Old July 9th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #4363
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Old July 9th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #4364
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That's an awesome tower! It also reminds me a little of 500 5th.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #4365
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Amazing! A building taller than Willis by both roof and spire! Love that this tower has a spire, btw.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:05 PM   #4366
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I'm pretty sure this isn't by that Otie guy though... Oties renders are only to show the design in context with it's surroundings and to give a clearer view of the building:
Correct! That is not by otie. His work is based off that image
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:12 PM   #4367
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What a skyline this will be!



It is one of the things I like about chicago's skyline is the spacing between its supertalls and the skyline at Central Park will do that for me.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:15 PM   #4368
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I'm pretty sure this isn't by that Otie guy though... Oties renders are only to show the design in context with it's surroundings and to give a clearer view of the building:
I see. I guess I didn't understand what was meant by "schematics."
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #4369
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To play devil's advocate, the true "roof" height appears from the diagram to be 1428' - which would be around 22' shorter than Willis Tower if the yardstick is highest point at which someone can stand on a solid structure (which would thus preclude the parapet). Even though I feel bad saying this, I still can't help but think this tower could have been truly iconic, with this same design, but with a bit more "true" height. Why couldn't Barnett simply have delivered on his original intention to build to 1550' to roof?
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #4370
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It's irrelevant that the area inside the 1,478 is hollow. This tower placed next to Willis is taller.

Anyway, that hollow area will contain mechanicals and surely will be illuminated at night. It will look amazing.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:41 PM   #4371
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Much improved from the earlier renderings. I still don't think it's a great design, it's traditional AS&GG, tall but not necessarily creative, actually their buildings remind me of a Transformers movies, they're big and make a lot of noise but they have no substance. I wouldn't put it in TV and Steinway's league. I hope we won't see much of them anymore in the city.
That said it will be great for the skyline and again it's an improvement from the earlier design so overall I'm glad to see it built. Gets a B+ from me.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:51 PM   #4372
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Not sure what to think about it. It's somehow chaotic and messy, isn't it? I'll wait till I see the cladding on better renders but right now I'm not that much impressed. I think there are at least several better towers being build/prepared in the city. 111, Stern towers, 432pa, 425pa, tv just to name the few..
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #4373
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It sort of reminds me of 1980's take on how the future would look like, wanted something a bit like Steinway. But I am in no way disappointed.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #4374
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Not sure what to think about it. It's somehow chaotic and messy, isn't it? I'll wait till I see the cladding on better renders but right now I'm not that much impressed. I think there are at least several better towers being build/prepared in the city. 111, Steinway, 432pa, 425pa, tv just to name the few..
111 and Steinway are the same tower.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 05:57 PM   #4375
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Agreed! it is not in the league of Tower Verre and Steinway Tower; but it is definitely better then what it was shown previously. I'm looking forward to watch it rise along with 220, and Steinway Tower 2 blocks apart
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Old July 9th, 2014, 06:02 PM   #4376
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111 and Steinway are the same tower.
I meant Stern Towers, both of them
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Wow this will be quite a tower. It's amazing how much they NYC skyline is changing, but I think its definitely for the better.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 06:09 PM   #4378
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And she was dead quiet on any of the 57th St. skyscrapers?
The 57th Street towers are allowed by zoning ("as of right"), so they do not require any public approvals.

Torre Verre required zoning changes, therefore needed public approvals - thus, the reduced height. The approvals process for Torre Verre was poorly timed because it was right before Bloomberg's reelection, therefore didn't want to upset his wealthy donors in the neighborhood around the tower.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 06:11 PM   #4379
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In terms of contemporary comparisons, the design looks to draw from Smith + Gill’s Trump International Tower in Chicago, which is also replete with setbacks and ends in a distinctive but far shorter spire; indeed, it almost looks like a merger between Trump and Willis, though the notched indentations at Nordstrom will be far less intrusive than the setbacks on the former Sears Tower.
I agree with Yimby’s assessment.

I’m so glad they did away with that boxy busy mess that started above the Nordstrom Store from that previous massing. While this looks like something that would rise in Chicago, Adrian Smith has made it “New York” and that I’m happy with it.

New York is known for its spires… Check
New York is known for its setbacks and boxiness… Check
It is contextual & modern that has a hint of the past imo.

Plus now this tower definitely has its own identity rather than looking like a glassy version of 432 Park in the skyline.

While it is not curvy like some here wishes for, Adrian Smith did what he had to do to make his 2 masters happy and create a separation between the other towers sprouting up along the corridor. That is Nordstrom by repositioning the core and Extell by adding the cantilever and repositioning the entire building that can yield maximum returns for Gary all the while working with NYC’s notorious zoning instructions.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #4380
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Extell's Nordstrom Tower To (Almost) Match One World Trade
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Re: Verre - This must be a mistake!! Although I really really hope not! drool

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Meanwhile, Jean Nouvel's Tower Verre, a.k.a. the MoMA tower, is slated to be 1,250 feet tall after a redesign last year that shortened it a tad.
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