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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:15 PM   #4401
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1,428 feet to roof is a new tallest in New York. I don't count the open parapet as part of the roof because it is just four glass walls with no roof.

I like the design, this building has everything, a fancy base, an overhang, setbacks, roof, parapet, and spire. I hope they all mesh together when it is complete.

I guess Shanghai Tower isn't really 2000 feet then, and 1WTC must be about 1335 feet.

Most modern flat tops have a parapet and not a solid roof.

The building is 1479 feet, period the end, look at the diagrams/pictures.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #4402
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To be fair about it being shorter than 1WTC, at least Nordtsrom's spire fits the overall design of the building, making it bigger wouldn't make much sense the way that tall stick doesn't make much sense on top of 1WTC. Now I wish they didn't blatantly avoid surpassing the symbolic height of 1WTC but the range in height of the spire seems about right.
Both spires are roughly 100m in height, aren't they?
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:20 PM   #4403
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Would love to see a rendering of all the 57th street towers and 220 central park south now. It will be quite an impressive sight !; especially from central park
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:26 PM   #4404
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I guess Shanghai Tower isn't really 2000 feet then, and 1WTC must be about 1335 feet.

Most modern flat tops have a parapet and not a solid roof.

The building is 1479 feet, period the end, look at the diagrams/pictures.
you are correct

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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #4405
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I guess Shanghai Tower isn't really 2000 feet then, and 1WTC must be about 1335 feet.

Most modern flat tops have a parapet and not a solid roof.

The building is 1479 feet, period the end, look at the diagrams/pictures.

One World Trade Center has a roof height of 1,368 feet. A parapet is not counted in the roof height IMO, your opinion is obviously different. Goldin Finance 117 in Tianjin will have the highest flat roof in the world at 1,957 feet. 1,428 feet in roof height is still great to see, it will raise the bar for roof height in New York.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #4406
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Both spires are roughly 100m in height, aren't they?
One WTC is 1368 ft. to the top of the parapet and 1776 ft. to pinnacle -- making the spire 408 ft. or ~22% of the total height.

By comparison, this building will be 1479 ft. to the top of parapet, 1775 ft. to pinnacle -- so a 296 ft. spire, or ~16% of the total height.

So, only a 112 ft. or ~34 meter difference in spire height, but the proportions in relation to the tower are significantly different.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #4407
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The thing I hate is the obvious deferment to 1WTC's 1,776 foot height. I don't want it to set a precedent that developers shouldn't go higher than 1WTC. It's just so blatant there keeping it shorter than it. There really is no reason for it.

I can understand Extell may want to "respect" 1WTC. But it's a slippery slope.
I agree on that one completely. It's no good thing when politics mendle into architecture.
With full respect to 9/11 and all symbolism it carries, i think this symbolism of 9/11 or 1776 also brings a great peril to our future development. As we can see, it's not implied only on Nordstrom tower, but it's also implied on Tower Verre, it's also implied on 423 Park ave., it's also implied on WTC 1. Why shoudn't WTC 1 be higher than 1776 feet? There is also story on Vornado tower. It could of been great NYC tower, but the city council denied permision to build it because owner of ESB complied that Vornado tower would dwarf his ESB. What kind of democracy is that city council goes in favor of one building owner against other? I would call it architectural discrimination. It seems that people who run politics in this city want to keep us short....
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:32 PM   #4408
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One World Trade Center has a roof height of 1,368 feet. A parapet is not counted in the roof height IMO, your opinion is obviously different. Goldin Finance 117 in Tianjin will have the highest flat roof in the world at 1,957 feet. 1,428 feet in roof height is still great to see, it will raise the bar for roof height in New York.
Um... 1WTC has a parapet height of 1368 feet, the roof slab or floor 105 is 1334 feet which is open air, the exact same situation as this building. This building is 1479 feet to the roof just like 1WTC is 1368 to the roof. Visually on the skyline there is no difference. They look 1368 and 1479 feet high.

Most modern buildings except maybe that one in Tianjin don't have flat tops. Vanity height exists literally everywhere.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:33 PM   #4409
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the spire fits the design, it looks very futuristic, i am just happy they went back to the cantilever design making the building at least a bit wider again.
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Um... 1WTC has a parapet height of 1368 feet, the roof slab or floor 105 is 1334 feet which is open air, the exact same situation as this building. This building is 1479 feet to the roof just like 1WTC is 1368 to the roof. Visually on the skyline there is no difference. They look 1368 and 1479 feet high.

Most modern buildings except maybe that one in Tianjin don't have flat tops. Vanity height exists literally everywhere.
Yes, the parapet is the ROOF HEIGHT. That is the formal definition. Anybody trying to claim otherwise has an agenda and being officious and pedantic. Opinions don't matter, official roof heights do.

The WTC1 will be exceeded some day. Just hopefully not with a spire.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #4411
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Parapet - a low protective wall along the edge of a roof, bridge, or balcony.

The roof is the slab of the last floor, so your argument is incorrect.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:40 PM   #4412
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Parapet - a low protective wall along the edge of a roof, bridge, or balcony.

The roof is the slab of the last floor, so your argument is incorrect.
You are right, I don't know what i'm talking about

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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:48 PM   #4413
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Parapet - a low protective wall along the edge of a roof, bridge, or balcony.

The roof is the slab of the last floor, so your argument is incorrect.
It's just splitting hairs though, so many buildings around the world would be measured differently if we were really that **** about it.

To me visual mass is most important.
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exactly! The parapet i assume is to protect mechanical equipment which serves a purpose, it also helps to enhance the proportions of the tower and visually has significant mass
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:53 PM   #4416
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No, I agree, the parapet should be measured as roof height. I was just saying that before because the way I read it, it seemed as though he thought the parapet was the roof. Sorry if I misinterpreted that.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #4417
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It would be great if someone bring us some pictures from construction site. I've been searching, but it's hard to find some. There are apparently 3 excavators on the site. And it seems that adress of the building is 217 west 57 str. rather than 225...
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Old July 9th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #4418
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FYI, Jersey City just announced a 95-story supertall proposal today. Crazy day!!
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FYI, Jersey City just announced a 95-story supertall proposal today. Crazy day!!
Yeah, a massive casino won't be allowed in Northern Jersey. Looks like a pie in the sky project.
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FYI, Jersey City just announced a 95-story supertall proposal today. Crazy day!!
As a Jersey City resident, I am ecstatic over the proposal but it's still far from a sure thing. However this is 217 W57th's big pre-unveiling dress rehearsal party and I'd love to keep the focus on it!

Yes, one can quibble with the design as not being groundbreaking or daring but what we appear to be getting fits perfectly with New York and is a great contrast to all the other towers soaring nearby. I love the spires and think the cantilever has been integrated very well, and compared to the fears we were just getting a boxy mess it certainly looks like that is absolutely NOT the case. Boxy enough to say proudly "New York" with both a futuristic and traditional context. If this was a four star movie review the Nordstrom Tower gets a very strong three and a half star positive one!
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