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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #4421
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FYI, Jersey City just announced a 95-story supertall proposal today. Crazy day!!
I was on the SI Ferry today and noted that the JC and Brooklyn skylines are amazing compliments to Manhattan's, as is Queens !
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:24 PM   #4422
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I was on the SI Ferry today and noted that the JC and Brooklyn skylines are amazing compliments to Manhattan's, as is Queens !
There is little chance that such a massive casino will be financed or allowed in Northern NJ. It is not likely to happen. I would bet that such proposals are mere flights of fantasy.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:25 PM   #4423
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Maybe I'm just not looking at it right or maybe it's time to change my contacts. I think we can all be honest an say that the last design was fine the it was this new one just has to much going on I really hope this is not the final design, but I do like the added height, but they could of just added more floors to the old design and change it a little.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:25 PM   #4424
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Yeah, a massive casino won't be allowed in Northern Jersey. Looks like a pie in the sky project.
Possibly not but far from certain it won't be allowed... it's too good an idea(though I can do without the motor sports stadium)... someone want to bring this up in a proposed supertall thread I'd welcome it... a lot better technical knowledge among you guys here than myself. Otherwise I'd keep the subject here to Nordstrom.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #4425
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Um... 1WTC has a parapet height of 1368 feet, the roof slab or floor 105 is 1334 feet which is open air, the exact same situation as this building. This building is 1479 feet to the roof just like 1WTC is 1368 to the roof. Visually on the skyline there is no difference. They look 1368 and 1479 feet high.

Most modern buildings except maybe that one in Tianjin don't have flat tops. Vanity height exists literally everywhere.
We could argue for days over whether or not a parapet counts as part of the roof. I bet we would still not agree but that's fine because it is subjective to begin with.

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Skyscraperpage shows all roofheight's that include parapet. It is the official roof height that is recognized as the roof of the tower by emporis, etc. Look at Shanghai Tower for instance.

And the tallest roof slab is not going to be in Tianjin, it's Kingdom Tower. A roof can be very very small, it's still a roof.
Goldin Finance 117 in Tianjin has the highest walkable roof in the world. Obviously Kingdom Tower will have the highest roof in the world.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #4426
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I was on the SI Ferry today and noted that the JC and Brooklyn skylines are amazing compliments to Manhattan's, as is Queens !

I am not sure if i am following you correctly. Did you mean compliment or complement? If you meant compliment than you are saying that these skylines are so poor that Manhattan skyline shines among them. If you meant complement that would mean these skylines are amazing addition to Manhattan skyline. 'compliment' or 'complement'?
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:41 PM   #4427
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I am not sure if i am following you correctly. Did you mean compliment or complement? If you meant compliment than you are saying that these skylines are so poor that Manhattan skyline shines among them. If you meant complement that would mean these skylines are amazing addition to Manhattan skyline. 'compliment' or 'complement'?
I think it's quite obvious that he means complement.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #4428
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I think it's pretty obvious that he's joking.
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I think it's pretty obvious that he's joking.
Yes sir.

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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #4430
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hell yea! I'm sure. Extell is gonna want this sucker to be visible in the skyline at night especially in such a prime prime location. cheers

For those of you who are wondering about NT's orientation.
I like this quite a bit, I'm not in love, but it's really nice. The spire height is hilarious..
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:19 PM   #4431
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I like this quite a bit, I'm not in love, but it's really nice. The spire height is hilarious..
i love spires

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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #4433
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If my sources are correct this may not be the tallest residential tower for long.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:25 PM   #4434
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We could argue for days over whether or not a parapet counts as part of the roof. I bet we would still not agree but that's fine because it is subjective to begin with.



Goldin Finance 117 in Tianjin has the highest walkable roof in the world. Obviously Kingdom Tower will have the highest roof in the world.
You said 1WTC is 1368 feet to the roof not the parapet then I informed you that the last 35 feet of that building is open air just below the comm. rings. the roof slab is 1334' but the building visually is 1368 feet high completely. Just like this building, it's a 1480 foot box with a big spire. It will be very, very tall.

Even Kingdom Tower has over 300 meters (an entire supertalls worth) of empty space at the top.
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If my sources are correct this may not be the tallest residential tower for long.
Which will be taller?
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #4436
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We can all agree and disagree about the freakin height. It is what it is just like the WTC is…and that’s what it is.

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1775’ Architectural Height

Everyone has their opinions about the trade center but CTBUH will call what it is, weather anyone agrees or disagree. It’s all debatable anyway and to each its own.

Below is just my opinion... Okay.

Frankly, what matters to me more than the height is the design and I’m satisfied with it. I could care less if the roof would be 50’ shorter than the Willis or whatever. They are both tall towers and both greatly has/will enhance each city skyline respectively.

I don’t really have a hang up with the “slippery slope” theory either, because all you need is one day to have a developer with the cajones.

Ahem. Calling Mr. Shvo.

If the market calls for it and there is appetite, 1776' figure will be broken in the city if there is money to be made. It is all about the money and nothing else.

As far as building even taller, there is a limit with me. Also the overall plateau should be raised before such a tower could be in discussion as far as NYC for me to cosign. Today I think a 2,000 footer would be acceptable and who knows… If ever the Chi Spire gets built, then that would push the envelope even more in terms of verticality for each city.

The Hudson Yards would eventually have that heightened plateau to accommodate a 2,000’ nicely imo and I had hoped the Hudson Spire could have satisfy that, but again it is what it is.

What is truly amazing is today the bar has been raised to what seems like the norm for NYC projects today is towers within the 1,300 – 1,400’ range give or take and that I am glad about.

Sooo much to look forward to!! The next several years will be epic for this city. My child will eventually know a different NYC then I will ever know. It’s called progress people and we are moving in the right direction!!


China and other cities can have their 3,000’ if they like. But I tell ya one thing. Between all those cities, the only places on earth I would ever choose to call my home that could offer me everything under the sun is NYC, London and Paris.

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What is truly amazing is today the bar has been raised to what seems like the norm for NYC projects today is towers within the 1,300 – 1,400’ range give or take and that I am glad about.
I'm going to be smug for just a second and point out that a number of folks thought I was crazy a couple years ago, around the time 432 Park was proposed, to suggest ~1400 ft. would become the new Midtown norm, and that we'd wind up with a new plateau at that height for the subsequent generation of towers to bust through.
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I don' think a plateau needs to be established for a tall tower to be errected that soars above. Look at the Eiffel tower, etc. There is room for a tower that is above and beyond everything else. Eventually other towers will catch up. I don't think the table has to be set so to speak. Burj showed us that too.
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We can all agree and disagree about the freakin height. It is what it is just like the WTC is…and that’s what it is.

Figure:
1775’ Architectural Height

Everyone has their opinions about the trade center but CTBUH will call what it is, weather anyone agrees or disagree. It’s all debatable anyway and to each its own.

Below is just my opinion... Okay.

Frankly, what matters to me more than the height is the design and I’m satisfied with it. I could care less if the roof would be 50’ shorter than the Willis or whatever. They are both tall towers and both greatly has/will enhance each city skyline respectively.

I don’t really have a hang up with the “slippery slope” theory either, because all you need is one day to have a developer with the cajones.

Ahem. Calling Mr. Shvo.

If the market calls for it and there is appetite, 1776' figure will be broken in the city if there is money to be made. It is all about the money and nothing else.

As far as building even taller, there is a limit with me. Also the overall plateau should be raised before such a tower could be in discussion as far as NYC for me to cosign. Today I think a 2,000 footer would be acceptable and who knows… If ever the Chi Spire gets built, then that would push the envelope even more in terms of verticality for each city.

The Hudson Yards would eventually have that heightened plateau to accommodate a 2,000’ nicely imo and I had hoped the Hudson Spire could have satisfy that, but again it is what it is.

What is truly amazing is today the bar has been raised to what seems like the norm for NYC projects today is towers within the 1,300 – 1,400’ range give or take and that I am glad about.

Sooo much to look forward to!! The next several years will be epic for this city. My child will eventually know a different NYC then I will ever know. It’s called progress people and we are moving in the right direction!!


China and other cities can have their 3,000’ if they like. But I tell ya one thing. Between all those cities, the only places on earth I would ever choose to call my home that could offer me everything under the sun is NYC, London and Paris.

Cheers
ALl those cities are vastly different in form and culture. IF you can tolerate such differences in your choice of home, I'm sure you could enjoy living in plenty of other cities too. Just sayin. The size of the city should not limit you from exploring elsewhere. Also you've ruled out some amazing cities there.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:50 PM   #4440
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If my sources are correct this may not be the tallest residential tower for long.
Don't just tease

Give us something. Sure, you can't tell much, but you could mention the height, or whether it's proposal we've heard of.
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