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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #4501
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Curious to see this one rising!
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:45 AM   #4502
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WOw it was taller than I thought.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 02:22 AM   #4503
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I just read about this building in the daily News.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1860838

nothing we didn't know, really.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 03:29 AM   #4504
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Meh., let's go for 3,000 ft. while we're at it, thereby
giving the penthouse owners great views of CANADA.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 03:31 AM   #4505
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What a dumb article, 1WTC is 1271 feet to the observatory not the roof, the roof is 1370.

It boggles me people can't get simple facts right.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 03:56 AM   #4506
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Old July 11th, 2014, 05:10 AM   #4507
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hmm... something tells me this isn't 57th street
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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:08 AM   #4508
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The Empire State Building moved to 57th Street to be part of the club
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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:34 AM   #4509
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Old July 11th, 2014, 08:05 AM   #4510
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I agree. This is the 21st century. NYC was once the home of skyscrapers and now the attention has shifted to China and the Middle East. Given the economic reality and the layout of NYC, it would be childish to assume NY is going to once again be the leader and match the likes of Shenzhen, Tianjin, Dubai, etc. However, the tallest needs to at least approach the megatall landmark for NYC to be seriously considered in the picture globally.

I would be happy with a tower with a roof height in the 500-600m range, given FAA restrictions, etc. A serious tower that is not far off the best in Asia.
LOL. New York has the second largest economy in the world behind (much bigger by population) Tokyo. New York is far more important, has a much bigger economy, and has multiple times more billionaires and millionaires than Shenzen, Tianjin and Dubai combined but New York is an established and prestigious city and doesn't need to throw up 2,000 ft buildings to "show off" like the wannabes. New York is New York, the financial capital of the world, and everyone respects it.

A 2,000 ft building will go up when a developer wants to build a 2,000 ft building. And that's it. This developer and the rest of the 57th St. developers could have thrown up 2,000 ft buildings if they wanted to but they didn't. They're not interested in playing that childish aspirational city game like the developing ones around the world. It has nothing to do with the economics of a city.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 08:15 AM   #4511
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New York won't be able to match Shenzhen. HA! Have you been to Shenzhen?
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Old July 11th, 2014, 10:26 AM   #4513
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Yes but not everyone wants to live in a city where everyone looks the same. (looking at you Shenzen, Shanghai, Beiijing)
no offense to those very nice cities.
Not sure if racist or alluding to diversity or if I'm reading it wrong
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Old July 11th, 2014, 10:51 AM   #4514
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New York won't be able to match Shenzhen. HA! Have you been to Shenzhen?
New York will never match Shenzen in what, poverty? True. LOL.

GDP

New York 1.550 Trillion USD
Shenzen 287 Billion USD

GDP per capita

New York: 71,289 US dollars
Shenzen: 19,872 US dollars

Billionaires:

New York: 84
Shenzen: 27
Dubai: 4


http://www.businessinsider.com/mosco...e-world-2014-2

As we see.. wealth, economy and skyscrapers aren't synonymous. If that were the case, New York would have 10k ft tall buildings lol. Erecting empty skyscrapers and towns (http://www.businessinsider.com/const...-halted-2014-6) to compete with other places is a third-world game that is too below the standards of U.S. and other Western cities.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 10:58 AM   #4515
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Old July 11th, 2014, 11:45 AM   #4516
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I must be honest I'm skeptical on this one. I like it but I'm not crazy about it...yet. I just hope they don't rush it through with this design, I would like some alterations to make the building as a whole a bit more "solid". It just seems a bit messy looking. I live in hope on this one though. It should balance out the skyline having the two dominating towers then the ESB in the middle of it all until Vanderbilt comes along of course.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:06 PM   #4517
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Eh... no way NY will ever not be in the picture globally, in fact, I think it arguably has and will maintain the number one skyline in the world in terms of size and height. There are rivals of course but there's nothing wrong with that.

The one thing that the city lacks is a signature tower but 450 meters to the roof is certainly a step in the right direction. Plus there will be so many in the 3-450 meter range that only Dubai will rival it in that department.

Comparing to China is also kind of senseless, China is an exploding economy of almost 1.5 billion people so let them have their time in the sun.
China is halfway around the world from America.

I hope you realize that for China to have its time in the sun, America must be in the dark of night.

Your analogy paints a rather gloomy picture of the future for America.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:15 PM   #4518
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LOL. New York has the second largest economy in the world behind (much bigger by population) Tokyo. New York is far more important, has a much bigger economy, and has multiple times more billionaires and millionaires than Shenzen, Tianjin and Dubai combined but New York is an established and prestigious city and doesn't need to throw up 2,000 ft buildings to "show off" like the wannabes. New York is New York, the financial capital of the world, and everyone respects it.

A 2,000 ft building will go up when a developer wants to build a 2,000 ft building. And that's it. This developer and the rest of the 57th St. developers could have thrown up 2,000 ft buildings if they wanted to but they didn't. They're not interested in playing that childish aspirational city game like the developing ones around the world. It has nothing to do with the economics of a city.
Wasn't America founded on aspirations?

I mean, isn't that literally the American Dream that you people keep harking on about?

All skyscrapers are aspirational. There's literally no reason to build anything higher than five storeys, now that we have integrated public transport and telepresence and the internet.

There are vast swathes of New York State that are full of nothing. Just emptiness for a thousand miles. America is not running out of space, so it has no reason to build up other than prestige and glory.

Also, have you heard the phrase 'If you're explaining, you're losing'? If you have to keep telling people that New York is important and go into considerable detail over how it's actually still the world leader in such and such, then maybe it isn't. Maybe the world isn't run 'on paper', but in the collective impressions of the people who live in it.

Maybe in the golden era of New York skyscraper construction, Nordstrom would have made their spire 1777 feet high, not 1775. Symbolically dominating 1WTC instead of respecting it.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #4519
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I thought this thread was about 225 West? Don't know why I ever thought that...
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Old July 11th, 2014, 01:52 PM   #4520
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I thought this thread was about 225 West? Don't know why I ever thought that...
225 W57 was teased for nearly two years. We've been waiting for final designs for longer than most buildings take to be constructed. The off-topicness of the thread immediately after the renders have been released should tell you everything you need to know about the quality of the final design.

It's unimpressive. It's unimaginative. It's conservative in pointless, symbolic ways. Even the height, while significant, is fudged by a ridiculous crown and yet another run-of-the-mill spire.

It has shades of Sears without any of its simple elegance. It has hints of HK IFC and a dozen other buildings, each one better than this.

Let me put it simply: This building could have been the tallest in the Western Hemisphere with the addition of a traffic cone sitting on top of the spire. The fact that they came so close to that mark so easily, and stepped back, no matter what the reason, is indicative of the top-to-bottom failures of this building. It's the opposite of daring. It wants to be tall but not the tallest. It wants to be eye catching without being innovative.

It's the Ford Fiesta of skyscrapers. When you're looking at it, you're not offended. But you're not inspired either.
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