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Old July 25th, 2014, 05:44 AM   #4701
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Old July 25th, 2014, 08:03 AM   #4702
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It seems the most likely theory is that Extell made the gesture deferring to 1 WTC in order to set a precedent. It's about deterring competitors from building taller.

If they were to build it to 1777 ft., then the symbolic seal would be broken, and there'd be nothing stopping subsequent developers from building to 1778, 1779, etc. But by shining a light on something that was previously a non-issue, it's basically saying, "Anyone who dares build taller than 1776 isn't paying their due respect to 1 WTC."

So in short, it seems to be a ploy to retain the tallest residential title at least until Extell can start selling units. We'll see if it works for long.
It's a really dumb idea of theirs. Why settle for 'tallest residential' when you are 2 feet away from 'tallest building in the Western Hemisphere'? And anybody wanting to build higher will build higher. The idea that developers who all hate each other will sing kumbaya and respect Extell's 'gesture' is really wishful thinking on their part.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 08:32 AM   #4703
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When will somebody build a 2,000+ feet tower in NYC? I'm looking forward to that someday, better late than never!
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Old July 25th, 2014, 01:34 PM   #4704
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I'd love that, preferably 2000 ft to the roof, but I don't think there is such a demand at this time.
Maybe a megatall residential in the 57th street in the future if the real estate frenzy heats up a bit more?
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Old July 25th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #4705
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Well, they can always use the same strategy that the Chrysler Building builders did. Rise the spire a few meters more
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Old July 25th, 2014, 02:35 PM   #4706
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Is it going to be an as expensive residential tower as 432 PA?
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Old July 25th, 2014, 03:22 PM   #4707
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It's a really dumb idea of theirs. Why settle for 'tallest residential' when you are 2 feet away from 'tallest building in the Western Hemisphere'? And anybody wanting to build higher will build higher. The idea that developers who all hate each other will sing kumbaya and respect Extell's 'gesture' is really wishful thinking on their part.
I see it more as respecting WTC's dominance. 9/11 is still fresh in peoples' memory and they don't want to overshadow it just yet. I don't think this will always be true though, and we will see a taller tower sometime after 2021 probably.

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Old July 25th, 2014, 03:23 PM   #4708
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Is it going to be an as expensive residential tower as 432 PA?
Yes, I'm pretty sure it is. Yimby said that it would degrade One57 to "second class". And also, the only affordable housing super tall in Manhattan I know is 520 West 41st street.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 06:31 PM   #4709
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The idea that developers who all hate each other will sing kumbaya and respect Extell's 'gesture' is really wishful thinking on their part.
I'm suggesting that it had nothing to do with respect. The "gesture" is counting on the media/citizens of NY to pick up on it, and to get upset with any developer who tries to surpass the WTC.

If no one is building rooftops anywhere in the 1700-1800 ft. range (which it seems we are still quite far from), the only way they'd beat 225's height is with a spire... Extell in this scenario would basically be saying to other devs, is it really worth the media backlash to beat us with a spire? Spires don't add useable square footage, so the monetary value is negligible.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 06:44 PM   #4710
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In the meantime, the long-term result is that people (many of whom, on this forum, have explicitly said they don't accept the pinnacle height) are reinforcing the 1,776ft. figure for 1WTC.

It's funny, I would have thought it would go the other way: people would consider this building taller because 1WTC "cheats" with a "stick."
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Old July 27th, 2014, 02:38 PM   #4711
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Went by the site yesterday (Saturday) and they were very busy. Lots of dump trucks taking out huge loads of rocks from the site. Problem is that from street level you can't see the bottom of the pit so you can't see what is going on and if they are pouring more concrete. But they do seem to be moving fast.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:07 AM   #4712
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Judge dismisses Art Students League suit over Extell tower

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Plaintiffs claimed league’s board improperly conducted vote on $32M development rights price

A New York Supreme Court Justice dismissed a lawsuit brought by more than 100 members of the Art Students League of New York against the League, its 12-member board and Extell Development Company.

The opposing members filed suit against their own organization – a derivative suit – in attempt to block the sale of development rights to Gary Barnett’s Extell.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #4713
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Good lord some people just don't know when to quit
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:50 AM   #4714
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Old July 29th, 2014, 09:25 AM   #4715
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Not under construction yet.
Construction manager here. Once site is handed over to the main contractor and earthworks begin, we consider it's under construction.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 09:35 AM   #4716
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Good lord some people just don't know when to quit
In their defense, I don't think they were trying to actually stop the tower, but rather trying to get a fair price for Extell to build in their airspace. You can bet the additional square footage Extell builds using those ASL rights (with views less obstructed by 220 CPS, and at a lower cost than the taller, non-cantilevered tower would have been) will be worth a hell of a lot more than $34 Million.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 09:52 AM   #4717
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Another diagram, I don't like it like the other one it's to blue.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #4718
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Construction manager here. Once site is handed over to the main contractor and earthworks begin, we consider it's under construction.
Not here at the ssc though. We consider tower u/c when any structural part of the tower is being constructed. Usually we wait for first signs of foundations piles being constructed and I think there indeed seems to be some foundation equipment visible on pictures.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 12:17 PM   #4719
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Not here at the ssc though. We consider tower u/c when any structural part of the tower is being constructed. Usually we wait for first signs of foundations piles being constructed and I think there indeed seems to be some foundation equipment visible on pictures.
Too small to be cfa pile rig. No rebar cages or crawler cranes to install. Equipment is drilling rig for ground anchors to diaphragm walls. Contractor still excavating and securing retention system. Therefore under your definition this is not uc.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 01:11 PM   #4720
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If that's the case you're right, it shouldn't be in construction section yet. Though in ny projects it's often hard to say if equipment is for foundation or not - as far as I noticed on many ny projects here at ssc the equipment used to drill directly in rockbed which is close underground in this city is much smaller than huge drilling rigs used in sand environment.

But yeah, if you're 100% sure it's still not foundation works it should be moved to prep.
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