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Old August 3rd, 2014, 09:03 AM   #4741
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 09:20 PM   #4742
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Wow that house next to it is so nice!
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 09:28 PM   #4743
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That's the Art School next door and they are in the process of covering it with scaffolding, presumably anticipating the building of 225W.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 09:35 PM   #4744
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It looks like a building you'd find over here in England, really nice!
What makes it more astounding is its contrast to the surrounding buildings, even more so when this tower is complete!
I can honestly see that building and 225 west appearing in many photos together simply for that notion; little and large and a great difference in architectural styles and age
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:18 PM   #4745
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most of NYC's old architecture is inspired by European styles. 215 west 57th, from the 90s (1890s ) is a good example.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:16 AM   #4746
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Wow that house next to it is so nice!
Shows the importance of preserving great old buildings. Once they're gone... they're gone.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:10 PM   #4747
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It was moved to u/c when foundation works began - more precisely when they started drilling for foundation piles.
Do someone know how deep this foundation piles will go?
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Old August 4th, 2014, 04:36 PM   #4748
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I see it more as respecting WTC's dominance. 9/11 is still fresh in peoples' memory and they don't want to overshadow it just yet. I don't think this will always be true though, and we will see a taller tower sometime after 2021 probably.
Dominance should be earned, not inherited.

The best way to respect the 9/11 dead would have been to build an even taller tower, showing the entire world that if you knock America down, they'll only come back bigger and stronger than ever before.

I understand why 225 West chose to be shorter than 1WTC. I really do. It's a commercial venture and the public's perception of their project is an important ingredient. They don't want to risk anything that might hurt their bottom line. But that still doesn't make it any less pathetic and cowardly.

225 West should have been a hundred feet taller than 1WTC, even with a spire. Not one foot shorter. One foot shorter is a smack in the face of everything America - and New York - stands for.

And the worst part is: I really, really like the design for 225 West. It's everything I like in a modern skyscraper. Elegant geometric shapes, inspired cladding, straight lines, crisp edges. It's well balanced and respectful of adjacent properties. I even like the colour. But the height is always going to hang over it like a big neon sign saying 'we could have had the world, but we settled for less'.

I think it sets a bad precedent and completes the bastardization of 9/11 into some grotesque, patriotic tool to be used for political and social gain, rather than the tragedy it truly was. It's manufactured grief now, rather than a true reflection of human events. It has a slogan and a logo, and all the trappings of something exploited to an inch of its life. 'Didn't want to disrespect 9/11 by building taller'? How little do they think of the victims and the families that a taller building would be some huge insult? People are more mature than that.

When another tower comes along that goes taller than 1WTC, nobody is going to admonish it for 'disrespecting the dead'. People are going to marvel at it and adore it because it's pushing boundaries and reinventing the city.

225 West could have had its place in history. Even if it was only for a few years or perhaps a decade. But instead it's going to forever be that pub quiz question: what's the second tallest building in New York. And nobody is going to care.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 09:50 PM   #4749
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When another tower comes along that goes taller than 1WTC, nobody is going to admonish it for 'disrespecting the dead'. People are going to marvel at it and adore it because it's pushing boundaries and reinventing the city.
You must not know many New Yorkers... they tend to hate new tall buildings. Especially those on 57th St.
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Old August 4th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #4750
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You must not know many New Yorkers... they tend to hate new tall buildings. Especially those on 57th St.
Why?
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Old August 4th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #4751
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The short answer is shadows and view obstruction from Central Park.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 12:14 AM   #4752
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That's just one particular flashpoint. It's really much deeper than that, though. New York has a bit of an identity crisis, and many view tall buildings as imposed by outside forces. They represent the 1%, growing inequality, and gentrification.

Never fear, though. In a few decades this current crop of towers will be "classics" and there will be a new wave of construction for everybody to be outraged about.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 12:57 AM   #4753
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Might explain why it is so suitable for all these skyscrapers.
NYC has bedrock that lies roughly 10 metres below the surface, which is extremely shallow and strong for foundations. In comparison, the clay of Chicago used for foundations is approximately 40 metres below the surface.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 01:12 AM   #4754
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many more New Yorkers don't care about what is being built in the city. The biggest thing that some New Yorkers care about right now is affordable housing, which can be done and is being done elsewhere in the city. The ones who cause controversy are more often than not a powerful minority or individual who is unhappy because something will change in their life, eg longer shadows.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 02:06 AM   #4755
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New York get the title for tallest in the western hemisphere It was only a while back America could be proud of having the worlds tallest - but that history - China and the Middle East are the New Kings of Skyscraper design and engineering with their boldness in heights. Can the US every compete in the Worlds Tallest race?
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Old August 5th, 2014, 02:26 AM   #4756
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New York get the title for tallest in the western hemisphere It was only a while back America could be proud of having the worlds tallest - but that history - China and the Middle East are the New Kings of Skyscraper design and engineering with their boldness in heights. Can the US every compete in the Worlds Tallest race?
China and Middle Eastern countries build more supertalls because:

1. cheaper labor costs (ex. very low-paid south Asian workers in Dubai- conditions almost slave-like!)

2. not built because of demand (ex. large # of vacancies in many Dubai skyscrapers, empty cities in China)

3. emphasis on speed, not safety in many cases
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Old August 5th, 2014, 02:43 AM   #4757
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To some extent China does still build on demand though. Their may be some empty cities but Chongqing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Tianjin definitely aren't empty cities. It's like saying Murica is full of empty cities and using Detroit or suburbs that were affected by the housing bust as an example.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 02:54 AM   #4758
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To some extent China does still build on demand though. Their may be some empty cities but Chongqing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, and Tianjin definitely aren't empty cities. It's like saying Murica is full of empty cities and using Detroit or suburbs that were affected by the housing bust as an example.
Detroit back in its day was built mostly on demand. It's just that these days, it looks like a depopulated wasteland because of the financial crisis. This is partially true for many deindustrialized cities, but I'm sure most back then were built for demand.

I remember on the route from Shanghai to Suzhou, I passed through one or several (I forgot how many) "cities" that looked pretty new and partially under construction, but empty. It seems like these cities were not really built on demand in the first place. It appears that only the bigger cities like Shanghai and Beijing are built on demand.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:02 AM   #4759
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Detroit doesn't look like a depopulated wasteland because of the financial crisis. It started emptying LONG before then - like in the 60's due to many other issues.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:11 AM   #4760
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Do someone know how deep this foundation piles will go?
There are no foundation piles for 225 W57St. In this part of NYC, the rock formation is known as Manhattan Schist, a rock derived from sediments, metamorphosed by heat and pressure into a tough, hard rock capable of bearing great loads.

Typically, the rock in this part of Manhattan (Midtown), the rock occurs some 15 feet or so below the ground level, and requires drilling, hammering, and blasting to get the bottom sub-basement floor slab to its required elevation, and the concrete wall footings and column footing blocks which typically go deeper. Some of the rock that underpins tall buildings in this area can be seen as outcrops in Central Park. Piles are not driven into the rock, but rather the footings bear directly on rock. Occasionally, tendons are placed, which are long bundles of metal rods that are grouted into drilled holes in the rock, which helps resist the uplift forces arriving from the wind loads on a tall building. The upper ends of the tendons are anchored in the concrete footing blocks. This was done at 432 Park Avenue, and may also occur here as well at 225 W 57 St., given its intended height.

IlNY posted a couple of excellent pictures a few days ago of the excavation site, showing the drills that are drilling rock for blasting, excavators with hydraulic hammers that are breaking rock to be loaded out. On the 57St side, concrete footings were being placed.
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