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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:25 AM   #4761
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Detroit doesn't look like a depopulated wasteland because of the financial crisis. It started emptying LONG before then - like in the 60's due to many other issues.
You're right- sorry for my mistake.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:40 AM   #4762
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no big deal. exciting project to say the least!
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Old August 5th, 2014, 01:03 PM   #4763
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The latest DOB permit lists the tower at 1,490' and 92 stories (rather than the prior 88). Moreover, as this tower has a crown, and 1,490 reflects the highest occupied floor, the parapet could easily reach or exceed the original 1,550' height. The most recent renderings showed the highest occupied floor at 1,428' and the parapet at 1,478.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=07

I wonder if the most recent design is the "final one." A rendering is still not posted at the site.

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Old August 5th, 2014, 02:45 PM   #4764
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well 1490 feet is 454m, so i recon the height of the crown mightve been very slightly off, but only by 4m
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #4765
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Detroit back in its day was built mostly on demand. It's just that these days, it looks like a depopulated wasteland because of the financial crisis. This is partially true for many deindustrialized cities, but I'm sure most back then were built for demand.

I remember on the route from Shanghai to Suzhou, I passed through one or several (I forgot how many) "cities" that looked pretty new and partially under construction, but empty. It seems like these cities were not really built on demand in the first place. It appears that only the bigger cities like Shanghai and Beijing are built on demand.
I'm sure the builders in there smaller cities had the expectation that there would be a demand, otherwise why would they build them?

Whether construction of skyscrapers is led by the private sector or a government, everyone builds in the expectation that there will be a demand, eventually.

Of course, often buildings are built in the MISTAKEN belief that there will be a demand for them, but the private sector is just as liable to make such mistakes as governments are, as the examples of Ireland and Spain prove.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #4766
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:29 PM   #4767
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So if the builder filed the building as 1490 feet, shouldn't that be the official height?
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #4768
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So if the builder filed the building as 1490 feet, shouldn't that be the official height?
Lend Lease does not file for the building permit on such projects. It would have been the project management company on behalf of Extell who filed the building permit using Lend Lease as the contractor. It depends what stage building permit was granted, if it was not a full permit, design can be still be changed.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 03:52 PM   #4769
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So if the builder filed the building as 1490 feet, shouldn't that be the official height?
Yes -- to the H.O.F. -- not to the top of the crown.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 04:56 PM   #4770
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Yes -- to the H.O.F. -- not to the top of the crown.
Lol! That is great news!!
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Old August 5th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #4771
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NYC has bedrock that lies roughly 10 metres below the surface, which is extremely shallow and strong for foundations. In comparison, the clay of Chicago used for foundations is approximately 40 metres below the surface.
Bedrock is about 80 feet / 25 meters below the surface in Chicago and it's mostly limestone.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #4772
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The latest DOB permit lists the tower at 1,490' and 92 stories (rather than the prior 88). Moreover, as this tower has a crown, and 1,490 reflects the highest occupied floor, the parapet could easily reach or exceed the original 1,550' height. The most recent renderings showed the highest occupied floor at 1,428' and the parapet at 1,478.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=07

I wonder if the most recent design is the "final one." A rendering is still not posted at the site.
This tower will certainly dominate the skyline more than most thought and at 1490' + the crown it will reach or surpass 1550'. So much for those saying the US doesn't build above 1500'.
Now as you mentioned the most important question remains, considering this application, are the latest renderings final? I sure hope not, guess we'll find out when the official rendering is released.
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Old August 5th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #4773
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This tower will certainly dominate the skyline more than most thought and at 1490' + the crown it will reach or surpass 1550'. So much for those saying the US doesn't build above 1500'. Now as you mentioned the most important question remains, considering this application, are the latest renderings final? I sure hope not, guess we'll find out when the official rendering is released.
Totally agree except the redesign part. I personally like it, but the new application suggest there could be some modifications so we shall wait and see. I admit I was a bit surprised to see a modification on the application.

The Nordstrom will dominate the skyline given that it is higher in elevation compared to 432 Park which I believe the difference is a good solid 30ft higher. Cheers
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Old August 5th, 2014, 09:04 PM   #4774
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According to Daft Logic (which uses Google stats to calculate elevations), the plot for 432 Park is at about 49.5 feet ASL, which is indeed 30 feet lower than the plot for the Nordstrom Tower. The plot for 111 W 57th is at 60.5 feet.

http://www.daftlogic.com/sandbox-goo...d-altitude.htm
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Old August 5th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #4775
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Wow... looks even bigger than the presently listed fllor/ building height then if these application figures are correct... we'll soon see! Maybe with the parapet for all purposes well over 1,500 ft....... love it!
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A couple of new filings:

Figures for tower:
1490’= Height (Crown/Spire not included)
92 Floors
199 Units
1,214,024 msf

New Schedule A:
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES644702090

Details to Note:
Sub Basement -1 to 5th floor - Nordstrom Dept Store

8th Floor :
1) Pantry
2) Tenant Lounge
3) Library
4) Screening Room
5) Children’s Playroom
6) Tenant Outdoor Terrace
7) Outdoor Swimming Pool and Sundeck

10th Floor:
1) Tenant Swimming Pool
2) Tenant Exercise Room
3) Tenant Treatment Rooms

Floors 12 to 90 (Apartments)

Floors 91 to 92 (Mechanical Rooms)

Roof (Mass Tune Dampener)
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A couple of new filings:

Figures for tower:
1490’= Height (Crown/Spire not included)
As it should be....
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Old August 6th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #4778
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1478'10"?

1490'?


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Old August 7th, 2014, 12:57 AM   #4780
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Does this mean Extell has secured financing??

Extell, Art Students League finalize $31M air rights deal http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/08/....1NpDacyt.dpuf

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UPDATED, 5:40 p.m., August 6: Gary Barnett’s Extell Development completed the acquisition of air and cantilever rights at 211 West 57th Street from the Art Students League of New York, paving the way for the firm’s planned 88-story Nordstrom Tower.

The $31.8 million sale, which hit property records Wednesday, followed last month’s dismissal of a lawsuit brought by more than 100 members of the Art Students League against the nonprofit, seeking to block the sale on the grounds that the purchase price was too low.

Extell is building a mixed-use, cantilevered tower at 225 West 57th Street, which is next door to the League’s landmarked building at 215 West 57th Street. In the suit, members of the League who opposed the deal claimed that the agreed-upon price of $31.8 million – which included development rights for 6,000 square feet and the right to build a 28-foot by 88-foot cantilever over the League’s building – was too low. Instead, they suggested the rights could be worth $400 million.

At the time, a spokesman for Extell noted that the plan passed by a margin of six-to-one in a vote by the League, which has more than 1,560 members.

Extell’s Nordstrom Tower will house a Nordstrom store and condos, as The Real Deal has previously reported. The Seattle-based retailer reportedly paid $102.5 million for the site of its planned Midtown store, which will occupy the first seven floors of the building.

“The transfer of air rights and rights to build a cantilever over the northwest corner of our building is complete,” Michael Volpe, a partner at Venable LLC and an attorney representing the League, told The Real Deal. In 2005, Extell paid $25 million for the bulk of the air rights, about 136,096 square feet.

Excavation at the site is already underway, and the project could become the world’s tallest residential building at 1,775 feet, including a spire that was recently revealed.

As per Feb 21, 2014 real deal article:
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/02/...-extell-tower/

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However, the 111 members form just a small fraction of the 1,569 who belong to the League and who voted Feb. 12 to approve the sale, which is slated to close when the project gets financing or by Dec. 31, whichever comes first, according to materials supplied to members and filed with the court.
It's not December 31st!
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