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Old August 22nd, 2012, 06:42 AM   #461
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well considering this was a design they didnt choose, i'm hoping it wont end up being a box


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Old August 22nd, 2012, 06:47 AM   #462
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well considering this was a design they didnt choose, i'm hoping it wont end up being a box


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Pity, cause that torqued tower is something that would look very distinctive in NYC.
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 05:29 PM   #463
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Having experience from past projects, I'm cautious when it comes to developers announcing "unique and amazing designs"
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 05:32 PM   #464
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225 is by the same developer as One 57. He commissioned a great design for One57, and that's on a much smaller, oddly shaped lot.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #465
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how tall was that design?
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Old August 26th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #466
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cool..
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Old August 26th, 2012, 06:59 PM   #467
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how tall was that design?
381 meters or 1250 feet, but it's scrapped so no clue how tall the new design will be, which I haven't even seen, LOL

Btw, this old design reminds me of the third 1WTC proposal

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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #468
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The thread title should say 300m+
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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #469
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it will probably be quite a bit more than 300 meters so maybe just "height unknown"
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Old August 27th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #470
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Yeah, "unknown" characterizes it the best in the current stage
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Old August 27th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #471
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NY REAL ESTATE COMMERCIALAugust 26, 2012, 10:47 p.m. ET Developers in Power Struggle

Lawsuit Shows Extent of Vornado-Extell Fight Over a Central Park South Site.

By ELIOT BROWN

A battle between two powerful New York developers over one of the city's most valuable development sites is getting litigious.

For months, landlord Vornado Realty Trust had been trying to strike a deal to remove rival Extell Development Co. from 220 Central Park South, a former apartment building in which Extell controls a basement parking garage on a lease that runs until 2018. Since 2005, Vornado has wanted to raze the building and put a condo tower in its place, but it is being held up by Extell, which also owns a neighboring development site and has resisted Vornado's offers to buy it out of its lease.

Vornado aims to raze the building at 220 Central Park South, but Extell, a rival developer, is fighting the plans.

Last week, a lawsuit filed by the parking garage company controlled by Extell showed that the conflict has taken a new turn: Vornado has told Extell it is in default on its lease, a precursor to an eviction. Extell, in turn, believes Vornado's claims are frivolous and it is seeking to block any possible eviction.

Vornado's move rests on an action made by the Department of Buildings in May, when it fined the property owners $200 because the parking garage wasn't being used "primarily for residents," as is required by its certificate of occupancy. According to the lawsuit, Vornado then told Extell that it had violated the terms of the lease, triggering a default.

Extell, one of the city's most active developers, alleged in its lawsuit that the violation issue raised by Vornado "is nothing less than a sham."

Vornado has bought out all the residential tenants in the building overhead, creating a situation where there were no residents who could possibly use the parking spaces, Extell said. In its lawsuit, Extell asks the court to order Vornado to "re-occupy the building with tenants" in order to uphold its own obligations under the lease.

"They take away our clients, they empty out the building, and then say, 'You're in violation because you have an empty building,'" Gary Barnett, Extell's president, said when reached by phone Friday, expressing confidence he would prevail. "We have a valid lease for the next six years, and we don't think that any court in New York City is going to allow a landlord to throw us out and treat us unfairly."

A Vornado spokesman declined to respond to the allegations in the lawsuit.

For Vornado, Mr. Barnett has been a thorn in the side for quite some time. The company reached a deal in late 2010 to remove all the remaining residential tenants at 220 Central Park South, which had been a rental apartment building, leaving Mr. Barnett as the only remaining holdout.

David Greenbaum, the Vornado executive in charge of the project, told analysts on a conference call earlier this month that the residential development site is "probably the best in Manhattan, with unobstructed views of the park."

"We've got enormous financial aspirations for this development," Mr. Greenbaum said, acknowledging the fight with Mr. Barnett. "We feel very good about where we are in the process with demolition having commenced."

Write to Eliot Brown at [email protected]

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Old August 29th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #472
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Walked down 57th Street yesterday and snapped a few pictures of the site.

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The hold out Morton Williams supermarket remains:
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From what I understand, the store will relocate to this retail space down the street:
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Old August 29th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #473
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That's correct. There are many filings with the DOB for the "new supermarket" at 140 W 57th.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #474
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NY REAL ESTATE COMMERCIALAugust 26, 2012, 10:47 p.m. ET Developers in Power Struggle

Lawsuit Shows Extent of Vornado-Extell Fight Over a Central Park South Site.

By ELIOT BROWN

A battle between two powerful New York developers over one of the city's most valuable development sites is getting litigious.

For months, landlord Vornado Realty Trust had been trying to strike a deal to remove rival Extell Development Co. from 220 Central Park South, a former apartment building in which Extell controls a basement parking garage on a lease that runs until 2018. Since 2005, Vornado has wanted to raze the building and put a condo tower in its place, but it is being held up by Extell, which also owns a neighboring development site and has resisted Vornado's offers to buy it out of its lease.

Vornado aims to raze the building at 220 Central Park South, but Extell, a rival developer, is fighting the plans.

Last week, a lawsuit filed by the parking garage company controlled by Extell showed that the conflict has taken a new turn: Vornado has told Extell it is in default on its lease, a precursor to an eviction. Extell, in turn, believes Vornado's claims are frivolous and it is seeking to block any possible eviction.

Vornado's move rests on an action made by the Department of Buildings in May, when it fined the property owners $200 because the parking garage wasn't being used "primarily for residents," as is required by its certificate of occupancy. According to the lawsuit, Vornado then told Extell that it had violated the terms of the lease, triggering a default.

Extell, one of the city's most active developers, alleged in its lawsuit that the violation issue raised by Vornado "is nothing less than a sham."

Vornado has bought out all the residential tenants in the building overhead, creating a situation where there were no residents who could possibly use the parking spaces, Extell said. In its lawsuit, Extell asks the court to order Vornado to "re-occupy the building with tenants" in order to uphold its own obligations under the lease.

"They take away our clients, they empty out the building, and then say, 'You're in violation because you have an empty building,'" Gary Barnett, Extell's president, said when reached by phone Friday, expressing confidence he would prevail. "We have a valid lease for the next six years, and we don't think that any court in New York City is going to allow a landlord to throw us out and treat us unfairly."

A Vornado spokesman declined to respond to the allegations in the lawsuit.

For Vornado, Mr. Barnett has been a thorn in the side for quite some time. The company reached a deal in late 2010 to remove all the remaining residential tenants at 220 Central Park South, which had been a rental apartment building, leaving Mr. Barnett as the only remaining holdout.

David Greenbaum, the Vornado executive in charge of the project, told analysts on a conference call earlier this month that the residential development site is "probably the best in Manhattan, with unobstructed views of the park."

"We've got enormous financial aspirations for this development," Mr. Greenbaum said, acknowledging the fight with Mr. Barnett. "We feel very good about where we are in the process with demolition having commenced."

Write to Eliot Brown at [email protected]
Sounds like Extell doesn't want someone building big apartment towers right on the park which would command better views and higher prices than its own towers on 57th Street.

Hopefully Vornado wins. Extell is taking too long on this 225 West 57 project anyways. I am starting to doubt it will ever happen.
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Old September 1st, 2012, 01:53 PM   #475
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As per this photoshop by Derek2k3, this tower appears to be way over 400m tall. Hopefully, Herzog's winning proposal will be that tall too.

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Looks very good in that render
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Looks very good in that render
i thought that too, so if this design didnt win, imagine what the winning design will look like
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I agree. I hope that HdeM produces a 450m masterpiece.
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Any new info about when are they planning to unveil the final design?
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Old September 1st, 2012, 06:07 PM   #480
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I think that Extell probably has the plans finalized, but won't reveal them until One57 is nearly sold out, since it doesn't want its two towers to compete with each other for sales.

The design that I look forward to seeing (and which should be revealed soon) is the new design for 425 Park.
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