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Old December 2nd, 2014, 05:36 AM   #5361
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I don't think anyone will argue that both shanghai and Dubai have taller and possibly more impressive buildings than NYC. But I do believe that what NY has that no other city has is that it's great growth of skyscrapers never ends, what I mean by this is that many city's have taller buildings than NY, but 20-30 years ago no one considered them as skyscraper city's where as NY was king. Today NY may not be king but it's definitely close to it. With the construction of this tower, the WTC and all the other 400m buildings NY is making a statement that it's not going to drop out of the race even though it doesn't have a chance at being first. NY also has a stature of superstars that no other city will ever have. I, like many others find this alone to be a riveting experience while walking the streets and seeing a building built in 1931 standing taller than most other buildings not only in the city but in the world. This is an experience unique to NY that no matter how tall a building Dubai or shanghai create they will never be able to replicate.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 11:11 AM   #5362
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I am not sure if I want a world tallest building in NY, because today it must be at least 1100m high. It would be totally out of scale. Everybody knows the effect 432 Park Ave has on the skyline. Image a building 3 times as high. NY would bearly have a skyline anymore. No, better several 300+m towers. So NY can keep its three Layers: The low and midrises, a plateau of boxy 150m - 230m skyscrapers and some pointy supertalls. For me today NY is more about density, styles and eras.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 12:34 PM   #5363
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This is gonna be an interesting addition to the skyline and it will further strengthen New York as the skyscraper capital of the world.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 01:51 PM   #5364
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But I do believe that what NY has that no other city has is that it's great growth of skyscrapers never ends
I definately agree with you. I live in England but have been to NY several times and I know of no other place in the world where you can go to the top of a skyscraper ( in NY's case say ESB ) and look out in all directions to mile after mile full of skyscrapers.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 02:01 PM   #5365
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I don't think anyone will argue that both shanghai and Dubai have taller and possibly more impressive buildings than NYC. But I do believe that what NY has that no other city has is that it's great growth of skyscrapers never ends, what I mean by this is that many city's have taller buildings than NY, but 20-30 years ago no one considered them as skyscraper city's where as NY was king. Today NY may not be king but it's definitely close to it. With the construction of this tower, the WTC and all the other 400m buildings NY is making a statement that it's not going to drop out of the race even though it doesn't have a chance at being first. NY also has a stature of superstars that no other city will ever have. I, like many others find this alone to be a riveting experience while walking the streets and seeing a building built in 1931 standing taller than most other buildings not only in the city but in the world. This is an experience unique to NY that no matter how tall a building Dubai or shanghai create they will never be able to replicate.
Dubai and Shanghai each have 1 or 2 towers taller than Nirdstrim. Also, NY's sea of early 20 th Century skyscrapers is incomparable.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 06:55 PM   #5366
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maybe old news but still worth mentioning coming to you via NYYIMBY
After over a year of waiting, the excavation process is finally winding down at Extell’s 217 West 57th Street, site of the future Nordstrom Tower. The enormous pit is nearly complete, and rebar is already being transported downwards, though it will take several more months before the Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill-designed skyscraper begins protruding above street level.
Across the street, the same kind of work is underway at 220 Central Park South, and the towers should race eachother towards the sky — and while 220 CPS is likely to take the lead initially, it will be the 1,775-foot 217 West 57th Street that ultimately crowns the Midtown skyline. Work on Extell’s project will take longer and be more complicated due to the project’s mixed-use format, which will include Nordstrom’s Manhattan flagship, a hotel, and condominiums on the upper floors.
Even without the spire on top, the structure’s roof will stand just shy of the 1,500-foot mark, topping all other buildings in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 06:57 PM   #5367
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I don't think anyone will argue that both shanghai and Dubai have taller and possibly more impressive buildings than NYC.
Nothing in Dubai or Shanghai is impressive. Its all built using slave labor and shoddy materials and 3rd rate designs.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 07:21 PM   #5368
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maybe old news but still worth mentioning coming to you via NYYIMBY
After over a year of waiting, the excavation process is finally winding down at Extell’s 217 West 57th Street, site of the future Nordstrom Tower. The enormous pit is nearly complete, and rebar is already being transported downwards, though it will take several more months before the Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill-designed skyscraper begins protruding above street level.
Across the street, the same kind of work is underway at 220 Central Park South, and the towers should race eachother towards the sky — and while 220 CPS is likely to take the lead initially, it will be the 1,775-foot 217 West 57th Street that ultimately crowns the Midtown skyline. Work on Extell’s project will take longer and be more complicated due to the project’s mixed-use format, which will include Nordstrom’s Manhattan flagship, a hotel, and condominiums on the upper floors.
Even without the spire on top, the structure’s roof will stand just shy of the 1,500-foot mark, topping all other buildings in the Western Hemisphere.
Is there a thread for 220 Central Park South? I could not find it with the search engine.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 07:59 PM   #5369
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Nothing in Dubai or Shanghai is impressive. Its all built using slave labor and shoddy materials and 3rd rate designs.
I've actually heard the part about the shoddy materials to be quite true from a senior engineering inspector I know who has spent a lot of time inspecting skyscrapers under construction in China. (Sorry, can't and won't name my source.)


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Is there a thread for 220 Central Park South? I could not find it with the search engine.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1350355
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 08:12 PM   #5370
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Nothing in Dubai or Shanghai is impressive. Its all built using slave labor and shoddy materials and 3rd rate designs.
Which conspiracy site have you been reading?
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Which conspiracy site have you been reading?
Ever watched VICE's report on this situation? I would not say VICE is a conspiracy theory channel.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 09:44 PM   #5372
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Nothing in Dubai or Shanghai is impressive. Its all built using slave labor and shoddy materials and 3rd rate designs.
And, right here, you made a shoddy comment
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 10:19 PM   #5373
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They are forgetting the millions of tourists (like me) that are coming to wonder these new supertall buildings to New York and bring their money with them... Who would otherwise just go to Dubai or Shanghai or other places that are home to these new wonders of the world and forget about New York and its former wonders of a bygone era... But with these new supertall buildings together with all the famous old icons... It's a tourist magnet above all others !
The supertall buildings along 57th street won't have any amenity to the exterior world (such as an observatory deck) so they would hardly be a magnet for tourist. This one will have a Nordstrom store, but people going there wouldn't care less if there is a skyscraper above it or not. And I think very few people would choose to go to Dubai or Shanghai instead of New York just to see the skyscrapers in those cities.

Magnet for tourist would still be ESB and 30 Rock, and now 1WTC and in the future Hudson Yards and Vanderbilt, the ones that have decks. Anyway, the people going to New York goes there for much more that just seeing skyscrapers. They go to know the city in general, of which skyscrapers are just a small attraction. People would go to visit the cultural scene, museums and galleries, theaters, music venues, etc. as well as shopping, eating in restaurants and many other things. Of course, the New York skyline as whole is a huge atraction, but that is already there. These buildings won't make any difference, people won't go there just to see them (most of the people won't even would heard about them) nor stop going in order to see the bigger ones in Dubai and Shanghai instead. (and people going to Dubai and Shanghai aren't going there for the skyscrapers as the primary attraction either, maybe just a little more in Dubai, but almost nobody to Shanghai for that matter) skyscraper nerds are just a teeny tiny percentage of the population.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 11:41 PM   #5374
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Over 50 million tourists visit New York every year and growing... I believe there will be a couple of millions there who will think their top attraction to be the new famous landmarks & record holder scrapers, with all the old icons...
Well I guess it depends on how famous this Billionaires' Row is actually going to be... Only time will tell, but i'm guessing -> pretty famous !

And I will be one of them tourists. And I'm not a nerd.

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These new supertalls will have no impact on tourism or the housing market. A few hundred units is a drop in the bucket in a sea of 8 million people. That's not to say they aren't apt metaphors for broader social ills. I don't want to contribute to another shitstorm between the socialist pigs and the capitalist bastards, though.

I'm still excited to watch it rise.
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These towers are a symptom, not a cause. And it's arguable whether or not the disease is actually a disease.
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Over 50 million tourists visit New York every year and growing... I believe there will be a couple of millions there who will think their top attraction to be the new famous landmarks & record holder scrapers, with all the old icons...
Well I guess it depends on how famous this Billionaires' Row is actually going to be... Only time will tell, but i'm guessing -> pretty famous !

And I will be one of them tourists. And I'm not a nerd.
Let's face it... we're all nerds.
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These new supertalls will have no impact on tourism or the housing market. A few hundred units is a drop in the bucket in a sea of 8 million people. That's not to say they aren't apt metaphors for broader social ills. I don't want to contribute to another shitstorm between the socialist pigs and the capitalist bastards, though.

I'm still excited to watch it rise.
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Nothing in Dubai or Shanghai is impressive. Its all built using slave labor and shoddy materials and 3rd rate designs.
The Shanghai Tower was designed by Gensler, you know. The same architecture firm that designed the Burj Khalifia also designed this one.
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sorry SOM designed the burj and it was Adrian Smiths last building with SOM,
Skidmore, Owings and merril, the same firm that designed the sears tower, and the old 3 wtc...
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