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Old December 8th, 2014, 06:49 AM   #5401
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I wonder when wil there be towers really dwarfing out ESB... How long would that take?
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Old December 8th, 2014, 07:01 AM   #5402
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pssh. Not in our lifetimes.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 11:22 AM   #5403
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I wonder when wil there be towers really dwarfing out ESB... How long would that take?
It will happen, I suppose, but not for a while.

First, towers matching the ESB in size and scale will have to be built, quite a lot of them too. This is sort of already happening.

After a couple of decades, the ESB will appear to be "one among many" to the untrained eye, instead of a definite monument having the skyline to itself. There will be bigger buildings upriver and downriver of the ESB, and towers of matching size all around it too. When this has been the case for a generation or so, and only the really elderly remember the time when the Empire State Building stood out for itself in the skyline, regulation plans will allow construction of nearby buildings dwarfing the ESB as a landmark.

It will take a while, though. 50-60 years or so?
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Old December 8th, 2014, 05:50 PM   #5404
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It will happen, I suppose, but not for a while.

First, towers matching the ESB in size and scale will have to be built, quite a lot of them too. This is sort of already happening.

After a couple of decades, the ESB will appear to be "one among many" to the untrained eye, instead of a definite monument having the skyline to itself. There will be bigger buildings upriver and downriver of the ESB, and towers of matching size all around it too. When this has been the case for a generation or so, and only the really elderly remember the time when the Empire State Building stood out for itself in the skyline, regulation plans will allow construction of nearby buildings dwarfing the ESB as a landmark.

It will take a while, though. 50-60 years or so?
After a couple decades? At the end of this decade ESB will be one of many.

Not sure what his definition of "dwarf" is but Nordstrom would make ESB look pretty small if it were next to it. Especially considering how narrow that tower gets after 1100 feet. This building's roof will be higher than the ESB antenna.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 07:26 PM   #5405
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again, not in our lifetimes.


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Old December 8th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #5406
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Old December 9th, 2014, 12:44 AM   #5407
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again, not in our lifetimes.


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Yikes! - is that smog hanging low to the ground?
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Old December 9th, 2014, 12:56 AM   #5408
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Yikes! - is that smog hanging low to the ground?
its just your typical morning mist/haze tinted because of the sunrise. If it were smog you wouldn't be able to see midtown. NYC's smog problem has been reduced over the past few decades.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 04:19 AM   #5409
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i cant wait for full floorplans to come out for this,will be interesting to see the interior layout
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Old December 9th, 2014, 04:24 AM   #5410
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Yikes! - is that smog hanging low to the ground?
Because NY has unparalleled public transportation, its air is among the cleanest of large US cities even though it's way bigger than any other city in the US or Canada.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 04:32 AM   #5411
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Not to mention being relatively flat with a steady seaward breeze. If New York was in a valley you can bet we'd have LA smog.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 03:59 PM   #5412
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Not to mention being relatively flat with a steady seaward breeze. If New York was in a valley you can bet we'd have LA smog.
Speaking of a steady seaward breeze, what is being done to keep this obviously tall, thin building from swaying? I didn't see any crown renders that showed a tuned mass damper, and it doesn't have the side cutouts like 432.
Anyone know what method they are using to solve that problem here?
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Old December 9th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #5413
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Speaking of a steady seaward breeze, what is being done to keep this obviously tall, thin building from swaying? I didn't see any crown renders that showed a tuned mass damper, and it doesn't have the side cutouts like 432.
Anyone know what method they are using to solve that problem here?
There are no renders yet. The renders that are on here are fan made.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #5414
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It's already happening... One World Trade Center already dwarfs the Empire States Building.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #5415
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How could 1WTC dwarf the ESB when those two buildings are to far apart for their heights to be compared with the naked eye ?
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How could 1WTC dwarf the ESB when those two buildings are to far apart for their heights to be compared with the naked eye ?
He means that if you were to put 1WTC next to the empire state building it would make it look small, at least the main portion of the tower, as would 432 park and the other upcoming NYC buildings. He asked when NYC would have buildings that would dwarf the ESB and there are already 2 considering I think anything with a main skyline impact above 400 meters would make ESB look pretty small.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 10:04 PM   #5417
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But when I think of a building dwarfing another, they're really close to each other. 432 Park doesnt really count, and 1 WTC definitely doesnt count.
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Old December 9th, 2014, 10:07 PM   #5418
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But when I think of a building dwarfing another, they're really close to each other. 432 Park doesnt really count, and 1 WTC definitely doesnt count.
Well I don't see a 400+ meter building being built right next to ESB in the near future or ever if that, I think that building is better off alone too since it is so amazing I would never want anything to steal the king skyscrapers thunder .
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Old December 10th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #5419
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... the king skyscrapers thunder .
Why not call it the Thor Tower already?
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Old December 10th, 2014, 02:24 PM   #5420
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I can't believe that just a few years ago ESB was the tallest in NYC.
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