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Old December 13th, 2014, 02:07 AM   #5441
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No skyscraper will ever use wood for its structure.
As you saying just wood, or mainly wood? Because a skyscraper could easily be built using wood affixed with metal attachments (ie bolts).

Of course it's unlikely to be built, because I mean why would you? There's no need. But to say never, don't be silly.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 02:39 AM   #5442
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I don't want to take thing too far afield here, but read this article about wooden skyscrapers.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...ld-plyscrapers

With trees genetically engineered for strength, there's no reason we won't see wooden skyscrapers become commonplace (there's already one in development in Vancouver). Because they store CO2 instead of releasing it, and because they're potentially much safer in an earthquake than their concrete counterparts, there is a lot of reason to expect a wooden highrise boom in places like California
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Old December 15th, 2014, 12:39 AM   #5443
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I don't want to take thing too far afield here, but read this article about wooden skyscrapers.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...ld-plyscrapers

With trees genetically engineered for strength, there's no reason we won't see wooden skyscrapers become commonplace (there's already one in development in Vancouver). Because they store CO2 instead of releasing it, and because they're potentially much safer in an earthquake than their concrete counterparts, there is a lot of reason to expect a wooden highrise boom in places like California
Still, I would like to see a wooden building remaining in a hurricane. In southwest europe nearly every building is built with stone, brick or concrete. Almost never with wood. Hurricanes are pretty common in the fall season there, but ever noticed that no building gets lost there? in comparison with the US that means a lot. Conclusion, wood is cool and could be a technological advantage, but it will never be better than concrete, stone or brick in most cases.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #5444
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Which is why you won't see wooden skyscrapers on the east coast or in the Gulf. But in parts where hurricanes, storm surges, etc. are not an issue, they will be built.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 04:59 AM   #5445
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I meant supertalls
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Old December 15th, 2014, 05:37 AM   #5446
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Still, I would like to see a wooden building remaining in a hurricane. In southwest europe nearly every building is built with stone, brick or concrete. Almost never with wood. Hurricanes are pretty common in the fall season there, but ever noticed that no building gets lost there? in comparison with the US that means a lot. Conclusion, wood is cool and could be a technological advantage, but it will never be better than concrete, stone or brick in most cases.
Wait... what?? Hurricanes making landfall in Europe are a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence, if that.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 06:59 AM   #5447
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Old December 16th, 2014, 12:25 AM   #5448
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Wait... what?? Hurricanes making landfall in Europe are a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence, if that.
I think he confuses it with storms. A storm (max 12Bf) is no comparison to a hurricane or cyclone. The only thing that is correct is that most houses and buildings are built of concrete or bricks etc.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #5449
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I think he confuses it with storms. A storm (max 12Bf) is no comparison to a hurricane or cyclone. The only thing that is correct is that most houses and buildings are built of concrete or bricks etc.
Not in France or Spain. Did you watch the news in the past 10 years? "storms" above 120 km/h winds are pretty common in the fall season, especially along the west coast. Last year or two years ago, a hurricane actually made landfall near the Belgian/French border, and was fortunately weakened to half its force when it reached the Ardennes. It did make lots of damage to agriculture but no building was lost because all were built in stone. Only barns (mostly made of steel & aluminum) or glass greenhouses got severely damaged, but were still reparable.

But I only wanted to say that this shows European craftsmanship in construction, because, look at how many wood buildings get lost in the US every year...

Don't get me wrong, I like wood. It's warm, cozy and a green resource. But just not reliable for big projects, because apart from it's weakness to not bend and break instead, it's also heavy.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 02:52 AM   #5450
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Shad, do you even wind, bro?



I'm sure you get some strong storms in Belgium, but you cannot even compare them to the destructive force of the cyclones that hit the US.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:22 AM   #5451
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Shad, do you even wind, bro?



I'm sure you get some strong storms in Belgium, but you cannot even compare them to the destructive force of the cyclones that hit the US.
Yeah that's true, but a cat.1 is still a hurricane, though. I admit i've never seen something as bad as in the video, but how rare is a cat.5 actually worldwide...The very worst we get in europe might be a cat.2, something the US sees weekly in their season. But still then, European buildings would remain to stand, when US buildings would collapse or fly.

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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:30 AM   #5452
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Not in France or Spain. Did you watch the news in the past 10 years? "storms" above 120 km/h winds are pretty common in the fall season, especially along the west coast. Last year or two years ago, a hurricane actually made landfall near the Belgian/French border, and was fortunately weakened to half its force when it reached the Ardennes. It did make lots of damage to agriculture but no building was lost because all were built in stone. Only barns (mostly made of steel & aluminum) or glass greenhouses got severely damaged, but were still reparable.

But I only wanted to say that this shows European craftsmanship in construction, because, look at how many wood buildings get lost in the US every year...

Don't get me wrong, I like wood. It's warm, cozy and a green resource. But just not reliable for big projects, because apart from it's weakness to not bend and break instead, it's also heavy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_windstorm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ean_windstorms

Call them however you want, but he's right, they are real. I will always remember 1999.
Bf 12 is quite common, and European cyclones equivalent to cat. 3 hurricanes are known to happen. Cat. 4 equivalents, are, however, extremely rare.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:42 AM   #5453
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Interesting, I admit I wasn't familiar with these storm systems. Though I will say that at €1.9 billion in damage per year, I think Shaddorry may be overstating the relative strength of European construction.

Anyway, this is way off topic.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:45 AM   #5454
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Anyway, this is way off topic.
Indeed... How interesting this discussion even was, it was way too far off topic. Back to the Nordstrom.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:18 AM   #5455
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Everyone is talking about wooden skyscrapers and I find it funny. But here is an interesting fact. For the 1893 World Exhibition in Chicago, the glorious event that introduced the world to the "White City" and the Ferris wheel, as well as the sensation of Louis Sullivan's era of classically romanticized architecture, there was a man who proposed to build an 8000 foot tall structure made entirely of wood as the main attraction for the event. The last fair had the Eiffel Tower and competition was high to beat that. Yes, an 8000 foot structure of wood. In 1893. History is funny.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:20 AM   #5456
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without a doubt this tower was my fav.it was really suite my taste.i love the clean sutting edge design with spire..look futuristic
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:21 PM   #5457
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The original post about the wood was about wood under the ground, now that is not the best idea for a fundation.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #5458
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The original post about the wood was about wood under the ground, now that is not the best idea for a fundation.
Unless it's petrified!
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:32 PM   #5459
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #5460
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