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Old January 12th, 2015, 04:58 AM   #5581
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Don't forget me. It only took 1 ban to set me straight and I provide decent commentary on NYC projects from an UNBIASED global viewpoint. I've been around forever, I am not clouded by NY homerism nor am I inclined to post innunedo everywhere like a certain someone. This isn't the London Lex show. Other posters deserve some recognition, including moi.

I stand for free speech regarding the true nature of projects in a global context, unhindered by NY blinkers and rabid NY homerists.

JE SUIS CHARLIE -- in the context of development projects, as we must have our opinions be free of such vicious attacks by city boosters and biased factions... let all who wish to have a balanced view of design in NYC and how it relates in a global context stand with me now.

Let Free Speech reign free, and let no one clique of city boosters deny our right to analyse with a FAIR and BALANCED approach, the projects going up today in this great city. Unrealistic boosterism is the enemy of free speech and leads to harmful disillusional thought. All cities have good to teach us, and all criticism should be WELCOMED with open arms if we are to hold NYC to a HIGHER STANDARD in Design!


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Old January 12th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #5582
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Do you guys remember that dude James who, almost two years ago, said that he saw the renderings, and it looked like a Version of Trump Chi with hard edges? He was right.
Yes, especially this:

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Don't worry about the cladding, it will be of the highest quality. The rendering shows a dark green cladding with some black panels (more like lines) in between. A very interesting pattern if you ask me.
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The crown won't be that big. It is my understanding that the mechanical floors will be integrated somehow. The illumination will be classy, with some interesting patterns.
Regarding the shape of the tower, there will be 3 setbacks.
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Yes, more like a mix of the Hudson Yards Equinox Tower and Trump Tower Chicago, but still unique.
The only thing he wasn't right about was the height. Maybe it changed back, who knows...



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Old January 12th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #5583
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Yea I remember James! Wow 2 years ago?? Time flies. Anyway, his description is not far away from Yimby's. The only thing I wasn't crazy about was the green cladding. I dunno, it could be interesting but we shall see.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 11:54 PM   #5584
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I think they did a pretty good job on the design in this tower. Setbacks make it look like a very classic NYC style building.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #5585
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Extel "This building will be 1 foot shorter then WTC out of respect. We have a gentlemen's agreement not to build anything higher in NYC EVER "

Some Rich Asian Business Tycoon with more money then God "I'll give you $175 million 4 the top penthouse! But only if its the tallest building in America!"

Extel "Gentlemen's agreement? Who said anything about a Gentlemen's agreement! Did u hear anything about an agreement? Developers lets add a measly 2 feet of spire!
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Old January 13th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #5586
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Extel "This building will be 1 foot shorter then WTC out of respect. We have a gentlemen's agreement not to build anything higher in NYC EVER "

Some Rich Asian Business Tycoon with more money then God "I'll give you $175 million 4 the top penthouse! But only if its the tallest building in America!"

Extel "Gentlemen's agreement? Who said anything about a Gentlemen's agreement! Did u hear anything about an agreement? Developers lets add a measly 2 feet of spire!
this will happen eventually. Whether it be Extell or some other company.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 01:38 AM   #5587
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Yes, especially this:

Thank you for this, this is actually the image I was looking for. I brought up my earlier point about the Sears Tower simply because the "building itself" stops at 1,428 feet and these thin plated wings extend another 50 feet for no apparent reason. That coupled with the (coincidental?) fact that its this 50 feet that eclipse the Sears Tower just makes me question the architects intention.

Either way, I'm excited to see this built and how they go about developing the cantilever. I'm glad that it's actually under construction and we get to see this building rise.

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Old January 13th, 2015, 01:48 AM   #5588
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That rendering/schematics was posted before it got its boost in height.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 01:50 AM   #5589
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Thank you for this, this is actually the image I was looking for. I brought up my earlier point about the Sears Tower simply because the "building itself" stops at 1,428 feet and these thin plated wings extend another 50 feet for no apparent reason. That coupled with the (coincidental?) fact that its this 50 feet that eclipse the Sears Tower just makes me question the architects intention.

Either way, I'm excited to see this built and how they go about developing the cantilever. I'm glad that it's actually under construction and we get to see this building rise.
The height has changed, so it will be closer to 1,490ft and then the additional 50-60ft bringing it to about 1550ft to the top of the parapet. So definitely beats out the Sears Tower now.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 01:59 AM   #5590
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Thank you for this, this is actually the image I was looking for. I brought up my earlier point about the Sears Tower simply because the "building itself" stops at 1,428 feet and these thin plated wings extend another 50 feet for no apparent reason.
Parapets like this are standard on tall or otherwise high end towers these days, in order to disguise the unsightly rooftop mechanics systems (HVAC etc.) One WTC has one, Trump Chicago has one, there's nothing special about this one.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 02:24 AM   #5591
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That rendering/schematics was posted before it got its boost in height.
He posted that before and a bunch of people already told him about the boost in height but I guess he forgot
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Old January 13th, 2015, 02:35 AM   #5592
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Parapets like this are standard on tall or otherwise high end towers these days, in order to disguise the unsightly rooftop mechanics systems (HVAC etc.) One WTC has one, Trump Chicago has one, there's nothing special about this one.
So does 4 and 3 WTC, so yes, nothing special for towers these days to have parapets.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 02:59 AM   #5593
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Thank you for this, this is actually the image I was looking for. I brought up my earlier point about the Sears Tower simply because the "building itself" stops at 1,428 feet and these thin plated wings extend another 50 feet for no apparent reason. That coupled with the (coincidental?) fact that its this 50 feet that eclipse the Sears Tower just makes me question the architects intention.

Either way, I'm excited to see this built and how they go about developing the cantilever. I'm glad that it's actually under construction and we get to see this building rise.
Outdated drawing and (height) figures. For now the tower is 1,550ft and 94 floors. We'll know for sure wenn Extell finally releases official renderings.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:43 AM   #5594
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He posted that before and a bunch of people already told him about the boost in height but I guess he forgot
Yes, I know and did not forget. I was posting that image to show why I brought up the point a few days ago and was unaware that it had gotten a height boost altogether prior to that post. I'm looking forward to the final drawings just so we can get an exact figure without all this unofficial speculation.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:46 AM   #5595
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I wonder when the core will be at street level?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:21 PM   #5596
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Any recent construction pics, NY peeps? It's been a few weeks.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #5597
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I wonder when the core will be at street level?
depends on how long they'll need for the foundation. At least half a year i guess, if not longer.
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Yes, I know and did not forget. I was posting that image to show why I brought up the point a few days ago and was unaware that it had gotten a height boost altogether prior to that post. I'm looking forward to the final drawings just so we can get an exact figure without all this unofficial speculation.
Fair enough, but in any case parapets exist on most modern skyscrapers as well as crowns and architectural elements and they certainly count towards height just as much as a roof.

I mean really, the top ~ 200 feet of the Shanghai Financial Center is not inhabitable (aside from the observatory) and it's still a 1600 footer in my books.

Look at the ICC in Hong Kong or 2IFC, also 1WTC and 432 park have parapets. The most important aspect of a building in my opinion is the impact it has on the skyline. A building 1,500 feet to the parapet would still appear slightly taller than Sears tower if stacked side by side.
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I agree, Jay. The only thing that makes a parapet different from a completely enclosed mechanical level(s) is the lack of a roof. It's still serving the same purpose of closing off the mechanical stuff from view, and the mechanical stuff is a vital part of the building, whereas a spire is just a spire.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 02:09 AM   #5600
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Fair enough, but in any case parapets exist on most modern skyscrapers as well as crowns and architectural elements and they certainly count towards height just as much as a roof.

I mean really, the top ~ 200 feet of the Shanghai Financial Center is not inhabitable (aside from the observatory) and it's still a 1600 footer in my books.

Look at the ICC in Hong Kong or 2IFC, also 1WTC and 432 park have parapets. The most important aspect of a building in my opinion is the impact it has on the skyline. A building 1,500 feet to the parapet would still appear slightly taller than Sears tower if stacked side by side.
I agree for the most part, just asking the questions here. I didn't see any equipment being housed in the blueprints and renderings and what not so I just had to inquire about the purpose of the wings if they didn't really add much to the building besides a superficial height boost. Some buildings like Chicago's Trump Tower or New York's Bank of America Tower may add height boosting spires that don't really add anything to the building except vanity height, and the 50 extra feet added to this tower didn't seem (in my opinion) like much of a difference to the overall aspect of the skyline or building itself. And one can argue for days about subjective stuff like opinions. All of that coinciding with the fact that it's these wings (on the outdated blueprints) makes it higher than the Sears Tower just made me question the architects intentions, however humorous it may be.

But if this houses equipment, then so be it. I apologize for being in the dark.
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