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Old May 12th, 2015, 07:24 PM   #6121
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Barnett is a schmuck. If he had his way we wouldn't have known about the spire. YIMBY has the plans - I trust them first at the moment.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 07:43 PM   #6122
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Hard to see where the spire contributes anything to the building except height. That may be enough for some people, but a really good spire should be an outgrowth of a buildings overall design.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 08:03 PM   #6123
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I think it means that the height is going to increase, but that Barnett doesn't want to admit it until later for marketing reasons, just as he got angry at YIMBY for leaking the design. Then again, I could be wrong, and Barnett could still have that "respect" mentality.
Yea I think so too, I guess we'll see.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 10:00 PM   #6124
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Extell Says Nordstrom Tower Will Not Eclipse One WTC

FWIW, the denial is in the Post and on Curbed:

'' Extell overlord Gary Barnett told the Post last night that it's not true: "The Nordstrom Tower will categorically not be taller than 1 World Trade Center." ''

We'll see..
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Old May 12th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #6125
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I don't get him at all...

This is all so confusing.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #6126
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Honestly who cares if the spire is 20 feet taller or shorter, all I care about is that New york will have the tallest building by roof height, and by total height (1 WTC if the spire ends up shorter) in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 11:16 PM   #6127
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Honestly who cares if the spire is 20 feet taller or shorter, all I care about is that New york will have the tallest building by roof height, and by total height (1 WTC if the spire ends up shorter) in the Western Hemisphere.
I've always been suspicious of this deference to 1WTC. It just seems like Barnett wants to have the tallest residential tower. Then force anyone else to go higher and look disrespectful to 1WTC. That's so weak and petty. Barnett gets to hold the title of having the tallest residential tower, and anyone else who dares to go higher looks evil, greedy, etc.

Just hope he does build it higher than 1WTC and end any debate about it once and for all.

We know eventually there will be a tower taller than 1WTC. But the longer the record is held by it, the harder it could be for others to break it.
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Old May 12th, 2015, 11:22 PM   #6128
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I think it means that the height is going to increase, but that Barnett doesn't want to admit it until later for marketing reasons, just as he got angry at YIMBY for leaking the design. Then again, I could be wrong, and Barnett could still have that "respect" mentality.
A foolish mentality IMO, it just seems like hes hesitating like his patriotism is in question if he builds higher than 1776' which is petty. Only time will tell and at least its u/c
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Old May 12th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #6129
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A foolish mentality IMO, it just seems like hes hesitating like his patriotism is in question if he builds higher than 1776' which is petty. Only time will tell and at least its u/c
He's hiding behind patriotism. I think it's just a tactic to future proof this tower from anyone else going higher.

I can see it from his perspective, if he goes higher than 1WTC, then it gives the green light for competitors to do it too.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:31 AM   #6130
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If you think about it though even if he doesn't someone else will. If i were in his shoes i'd do it myb he is playing coy about it though. Hiding the actual height till the last minute
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Old May 13th, 2015, 03:54 AM   #6131
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If you think about it though even if he doesn't someone else will. If i were in his shoes i'd do it myb he is playing coy about it though. Hiding the actual height till the last minute
Of course some tower will eventually be taller than 1WTC. But how soon is the question. I doubt Barnett cares if it happens in 10-20 years. He cares about selling his apartments in the next few years. Once there sold it won't matter. He's worried about someone building higher right now.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:15 AM   #6132
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Of course some tower will eventually be taller than 1WTC. But how soon is the question. I doubt Barnett cares if it happens in 10-20 years. He cares about selling his apartments in the next few years. Once there sold it won't matter. He's worried about someone building higher right now.
And who knows if hes being careful bout what he says? Its like a playground you play with the big boys u might get roughed up, myb not physically in this sense but sometimes its a pride war. Already the tallest to the roof says a lot, i bet he wants it all to be perfect before HE spills the beans. I getta feeling that whoever the guy is that leaked this new render and height its like a brother telling ppl what he doing whether the consequences are good or bad...
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Old May 13th, 2015, 05:03 AM   #6133
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So the height isn't increasing?
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Old May 13th, 2015, 05:12 AM   #6134
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So the height isn't increasing?
We don't know yet. We keep hearing contradictory things.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 09:43 AM   #6135
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It may not be taller, but geographically say they go with the 1,530 ft to the roof, 1,775 ft total with the spires... from reading about Manhattan topography Nordstrom is around ninety feet above seas level while WTC 1 is basically at sea level. So it will be at a higher point, the highest point so far in all of Manhattan. I really think the deference thing is a nice gimmick, but it will rise tallest even without the extra 20 ft because of the topography..... don't know why Barnett has to be so **** retentive with his deference because in the end a still a gimmick it is.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 03:29 PM   #6136
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The only spire in New York that adds anything pleasing to its building is Chrysler. All the others are just poles stuck on top of the roof. Who cares about who has a taller pole? The whole spire discussion is stupid and I'm tired of it.

Looking forward to watching this building rise and casting its shadow over the Central Park Zoo. (The spire's shadow will be minimal.)
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:02 PM   #6137
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Isn't there a chance that the patriotic deference thing is just a pretext not to reveal the true height until Extell's competitors are far enough along in their plans so as to be locked in to a lower height? You know, a good old-fashioned sneaky height war?

I'm thinking mostly about Steinway Tower, which we all remember being drastically revised up, but with several other sites around Billionaires Row still in play, I think Extell's wants to be sure they keep the tallest title for a while. If Barnett is putting on this "we aren't going higher than WTC out of respect and neither should you" air, but really plans to break the rule himself to claim the title, then it makes sense he would be pissed at YIMBY for revealing his cards.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:41 PM   #6138
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Isn't there a chance that the patriotic deference thing is just a pretext not to reveal the true height until Extell's competitors are far enough along in their plans so as to be locked in to a lower height? You know, a good old-fashioned sneaky height war?

I'm thinking mostly about Steinway Tower, which we all remember being drastically revised up, but with several other sites around Billionaires Row still in play, I think Extell's wants to be sure they keep the tallest title for a while. If Barnett is putting on this "we aren't going higher than WTC out of respect and neither should you" air, but really plans to break the rule himself to claim the title, then it makes sense he would be pissed at YIMBY for revealing his cards.
Maybe, but when you think about it, what are the odds of another ~1,800 foot building going up next to Central Park in the near future?

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The only spire in New York that adds anything pleasing to its building is Chrysler. All the others are just poles stuck on top of the roof. Who cares about who has a taller pole? The whole spire discussion is stupid and I'm tired of it.
For the most part I agree with this, especially for buildings like NYT and BOA but 1WTC's spire sometimes looks nice, especially at night. I think Nordstroms spire is another exception, it adds to the building IMO and is much better than 1WTC's.
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:56 PM   #6139
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The only spire in New York that adds anything pleasing to its building is Chrysler. All the others are just poles stuck on top of the roof. Who cares about who has a taller pole? The whole spire discussion is stupid and I'm tired of it.
Chrysler has a spire on top of a crown...it would look exactly the same if the crown wasn't there.



Furthermore, I agree that the entire discussion is stupid, especially referring to these things as "sticks" and "poles"....

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Isn't there a chance that the patriotic deference thing is just a pretext not to reveal the true height until Extell's competitors are far enough along in their plans so as to be locked in to a lower height? You know, a good old-fashioned sneaky height war?
I'd tend to agree...I have a hard time believing they give a crap about surpassing 1WTC. A very hard time.

My feeling is that taking the "tallest" title garners a lot of attention and might result in "tightened screws" under certain circumstances (neighborhood opposition, skepticism the next time you go and try to develop something elsewhere in the city, etc).

Unless it is the tallest and will surpass 1 WTC - with headlines and news coverage to boot - most people would have no idea the thing was rising until it was actually visible across the city (kind of like 432 Park).
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Old May 13th, 2015, 04:58 PM   #6140
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Maybe, but when you think about it, what are the odds of another ~1,800 foot building going up next to Central Park in the near future?
I really don't know! There's still a chance that Shvo's 100-story mystery tower is more than an ego-driven fever dream, plus Lex has previously pointed out several remaining sites and assemblages that could yield tall buildings.

It's probably wishful thinking, but I'm kind of hoping Gary knows something we don't.
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