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Old July 16th, 2015, 04:20 AM   #6461
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if they building at central park already Skyscrapers with 541 m....why still planning wtc 2 with 411 m or less?? Makes no sense...already freedom Tower became to short...downtown was always the Roof of nyc...with buildings at central park at the same high...there is no order anymore...sorry...wtc 2 should be take over a new role...i.e. leading role...600m + ....it's strange if the entrance of nyc becomes smaller than the rest...sorry...for me that makes no sense anymore.
Huh? The new WTC was built to replace the old WTC not be the tallest buildings in NY. The new complex will have the same height and probably more skyline impact than the old so that's fine by me. We also don't know how tall 80SS will end up, it could be higher than the WTC.

It makes more sense to me to have taller buildings in Midtown since it's a larger financial district and has more skyscrapers than Downtown (although which by itself is still well bigger than most skylines in the world).
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Old July 16th, 2015, 12:50 PM   #6462
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if they building at central park already Skyscrapers with 541 m....why still planning wtc 2 with 411 m or less?? Makes no sense...already freedom Tower became to short...downtown was always the Roof of nyc...with buildings at central park at the same high...there is no order anymore...sorry...wtc 2 should be take over a new role...i.e. leading role...600m + ....it's strange if the entrance of nyc becomes smaller than the rest...sorry...for me that makes no sense anymore.
Lol One World Trade Center is an important symbol of the USA. No tower will be taller in NYC in the near future, because of that. And now you suggest, that 2WTC should be 600m+ tall when it is standing right next to 1WTC?
Which part do you not understand ?
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Old July 16th, 2015, 03:32 PM   #6463
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It's only a matter of time till we see a megatall proposed for New York. It won't be in Downtown though, more like Mitdown East / 57th Street.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...skyscrapers-go

How tall can NYC's skyscrapers go?

As towers surpass 1,400 feet, one structural engineer predicts 2,000-foot spires are around the corner—and maybe even half-mile-tall spires will follow suit.

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The growing list of super-tall, ultra-skinny towers—reaching higher than 1,400 feet—has raised the question of just how far New York City developers will dare venture into the sky.

Although it may be difficult to predict what materials and engineering advances will permit, one structural engineer who has worked on several soaring buildings, including 220 Central Park South and a spire planned at the site of the Park Lane Hotel, said it won't be long before 2,000 feet or even a half-mile high will be possible.

According to Stephen DeSimone, who operates his own firm, DeSimone Consulting Engineers, cement and steel have doubled in strength in the past 10 years and already make structures up to 2,000 feet possible. Mr. DeSimone expects those materials to become 50% stronger in the next five to 10 years, allowing developers to build even higher structures with less bulk.

"The whole point of going high is to have big windows to enjoy the view," Mr. DeSimone said. "If you have thick concrete supports and structural elements everywhere, it impedes that. But that's changing."

The last major roadblock to building upward has been creating sophisticated dampening mechanisms to reduce the natural sway that gigantic towers experience from wind.

"People who buy $90 million penthouse apartments don't want to feel like they're in a boat," Mr. DeSimone said. "Right now, engineers and builders are exploring the idea of advanced dampening systems that will anticipate the motion of a building and counteract it before it even sways. This is the last hurdle in building taller than we are already."

New buildings like 432 Park Ave. use an internal pendulum—a gigantic pile of steel plates hung on cables inside the top of the tower—to stabilize the building during gusts of wind. As the tower moves, the pendulum stays put and counteracts the shifting. The building at 220 Central Park South, which is even more pencil-like than the 1,400-foot tall 432 Park Ave., has a 1,000-ton dampening pendulum on its unoccupied top floors, according to Mr. DeSimone.

But those systems are reactive, Mr. DeSimone said: They resist movement once it happens, but don't anticipate it with sensors that detect wind and building sway in time to offset it. Towers that soar even higher than those properties will need such technology because structural movement becomes more pronounced at extreme heights of 2,000 feet and beyond.

"Systems are being developed where a building's interior pendulum can be controlled to move ahead of time," Mr. DeSimone said.
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That's the key word here: megatall residential buildings which are still skinny.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 04:09 PM   #6464
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How high is the demand for luxury apartments ? Because 1000 luxurious unit = a lot of supertall and maybe few megatall ... Tomorrow, highest buildings in New York won't be office buildings but skinny residential skyscrapers, like in Corruscant ... I hote that future skyscrapers will exceed the 541,3 m holy height !!
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Old July 16th, 2015, 08:36 PM   #6465
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I think that it's just the mindset of the architectural engineering that the tall it gets the skinnier/narrower it should be. But from a civilian stand-point, I look at some of these tower and feel more and more intimidated by the lack of visual stability of these buildings.

I look at something like the NY Library and I know that think isn't going anywhere, and I look at the skinny supertalls like 432 park ave and feel a lot less safe just by looking at it. If this is going to be a architectural trend I can't imagine a lot of people wanting to live in these building above a certain floor.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #6466
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I agree.
I Thought a time...the will be megatalls like in the new movie "judge dredd"
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Old July 17th, 2015, 10:12 PM   #6467
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Old July 18th, 2015, 02:09 AM   #6468
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Central Park Tower? What kind of name is Central Park Tower? Nordstrom Tower sounds way better. Maybe they're trying to make the name similar to "Empire State Building" to make it sound more iconic.
Nordstrom sounds like a department store to me.

Does the Macy's Tower sound classy? How about the J. C. Penney Tower??

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Old July 18th, 2015, 02:12 AM   #6469
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Nordstrom sounds like a department store to me.

Does the Macy's Tower sound classy? How about the J. C. Penney Tower??

well, those are taken by pre-war midrises.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 02:17 AM   #6470
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At least they didn't decide to call it Le Tour Parc Centrale!!!!!

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Old July 18th, 2015, 04:16 AM   #6471
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225 w 57th is closer to Columbus Circle. The buildings in front of it bordering the park are mostly eye soars. It won't be a problem since 225 w 57th and 220 CPS will rise well above them

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Nordstrom tower basically has 3 streets as its borders: W 58. W57, Broadway. The entrance on Broadway is right before the building with big cornice. I was not trying to get the entrance on this picture, rather the corner 59th street building, but it still can be seen one block south.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 04:21 AM   #6472
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It's only a matter of time till we see a megatall proposed for New York. It won't be in Downtown though, more like Mitdown East / 57th Street.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...skyscrapers-go

How tall can NYC's skyscrapers go?

As towers surpass 1,400 feet, one structural engineer predicts 2,000-foot spires are around the corner—and maybe even half-mile-tall spires will follow suit.




That's the key word here: megatall residential buildings which are still skinny.

The key here is the height restrictions in US which is 2000 ft. Unless it is lifted or significantly altered, we are stuck with 2000 ft, which is not too far from the Nordstrom tower of 1775.
As for the steel and etc - as of now we can build a mile high tower no problem - just get the money and height permissions.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 04:49 AM   #6473
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Manhattan is a no fly zone anyway, if the FAA gets in the way of towers it would be kinda ridiculous. Though I think a 2000' ceiling may be upheld for some time it will eventually be broken.
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Old July 18th, 2015, 05:56 PM   #6474
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At least they didn't decide to call it Le Tour Parc Centrale!!!!!

In French, it would have been "La Tour Parc Central"
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Old July 19th, 2015, 04:24 AM   #6475
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There's already a Park Central, which is even farther from the park, on 55th and 7th.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #6476
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When will the tower reach street level?
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Old July 20th, 2015, 12:12 AM   #6477
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When will the tower reach street level?
thats is also my question!!!!
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Old July 20th, 2015, 12:39 AM   #6478
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thats is also my question!!!!
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Old July 21st, 2015, 04:30 AM   #6480
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Nordstrom sounds like a department store to me.

Does the Macy's Tower sound classy? How about the J. C. Penney Tower??

You're right, but almost anything can sound legit over time. How are the Pan Am, GE (now Comcast ), Woolworth, and Hearst buildings any worse? It would have been better if Nordstrom were based in NYC. Ah well, it's a minor thing compared to how the actual building will turn out.
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