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Old June 12th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #7061
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That will no longer be a super tall.

Now called the spiral, by no other than BIG.
It was 1005 ft. So a supertall.
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Old June 12th, 2016, 06:38 PM   #7062
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It was 1005 ft. So a supertall.
Oops! Well it definitely isn't as tall as we hoped.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 01:31 AM   #7063
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Here's my video Central Park tower from today !

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Old June 13th, 2016, 02:18 AM   #7064
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Old June 13th, 2016, 05:49 AM   #7065
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I generally agree with you, hallmark... not 100%, but to a large degree.

Just one note about ESB: It's not really 102 floors. About 16 or so of those "floors" are simply landing levels on a staircase inside the shaft on top. I've climbed that staircase, and while it was a thrilling experience, it was also disheartening to discover the truth.

I don't mind counting substantial parapets or crowns when they add a significant presence to the building, but needles just for the sake of adding extra official height are definitely cheating and certainly misleading in my mind.

Anyway, this thread is about Central Park Tower. Check out yankee fan for life's video above for the latest update.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 06:24 AM   #7066
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There are multiple ways of measuring skyscrapers, and one of them is in fact to the top of the highest inhabitable floor. Just look it up on Wikipedia. And the ESB spire did originally serve a purpose-it was supposed to be a mooring mast for dirigibles (like the Hindenburg). They canceled the plan when it was found that the winds over Manhattan were very unstable due to the large buildings creating canyons.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 05:43 PM   #7067
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I firmly believe we should ONLY count the height of any building to the top of the last living floor. All these gimmicks like adding "spires" , "antennas", broomsticks, bamboo shoots.... blah blah, is there to trick people into believing a building is very tall, when it is not. A good example of this gimmickry is 1 WTC, sticking a giant broomstick into a giant bagel, and placing it on a 80 or so floor mediocrity of design, calling it the tallest this or tallest that! No wonder we stopped calling it the "Freedom Tower" realizing how fake its "1776" is!

When I was a kid, we knew how tall a skyscraper is by leaning how many floors it had. Empire State Building had reached the magical 100 floor. That was common-sense measurement: to the top of the last inhabited floor (not the water tank, nor the lightning antenna. Nordstrom building WILL BE the tallest SKYSCRAPER in the Western World, and the 2nd tallest after the Chicago-designed, Burj Dubai (or whatever they call it today) anywhere.

Only the TV and communication towers like the Needle in Seattle or the one in Toronto should be measured to the very top of all they got, since they are not skyscrapers but just communication/observation towers.

I would love for someone to put together a chart or graph showing the tallest skyscrapers in the world today (or being built) without any of those spire/antenna/broomstick gimmickry: only to the top of the last habitable floor, AND mentioning how many HABITABLE floors they got--and that IS it. That would be THE TRUE numbers and figures to remember, not all these tricks and gimmicks
How many times is this going to be brought up, and in an off topic manner no less? A spire is an architectural part of a building.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #7068
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How many times is this going to be brought up, and in an off topic manner no less? A spire is an architectural part of a building.
I agree! Take the Lotte tower in Seoul as an example. Why would you not consider this beautiful, multistory "lantern" on top as part of the structure and the overall hight of the tower???
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Old June 13th, 2016, 08:02 PM   #7069
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There are multiple ways of measuring skyscrapers, and one of them is in fact to the top of the highest inhabitable floor. Just look it up on Wikipedia. And the ESB spire did originally serve a purpose-it was supposed to be a mooring mast for dirigibles (like the Hindenburg). They canceled the plan when it was found that the winds over Manhattan were very unstable due to the large buildings creating canyons.
I completely count the ESB all the way to the top. The building is 1250' and the structure is 1454'. All I said was that it doesn't actually have 102 floors because the staircase up the shaft is just a staircase up the middle of an otherwise empty shaft until you get to the top observation level.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 10:18 PM   #7070
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Hi guys!

There is the progress during the month of May.



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Old June 14th, 2016, 06:17 AM   #7071
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Old June 14th, 2016, 01:57 PM   #7072
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This one could do without a spire as it is not more than a stick.
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Old June 14th, 2016, 09:17 PM   #7073
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I firmly believe we should ONLY count the height of any building to the top of the last living floor. All these gimmicks like adding "spires" , "antennas", broomsticks, bamboo shoots.... blah blah, is there to trick people into believing a building is very tall, when it is not. A good example of this gimmickry is 1 WTC, sticking a giant broomstick into a giant bagel, and placing it on a 80 or so floor mediocrity of design, calling it the tallest this or tallest that! No wonder we stopped calling it the "Freedom Tower" realizing how fake its "1776" is!

When I was a kid, we knew how tall a skyscraper is by leaning how many floors it had. Empire State Building had reached the magical 100 floor. That was common-sense measurement: to the top of the last inhabited floor (not the water tank, nor the lightning antenna. Nordstrom building WILL BE the tallest SKYSCRAPER in the Western World, and the 2nd tallest after the Chicago-designed, Burj Dubai (or whatever they call it today) anywhere.

Only the TV and communication towers like the Needle in Seattle or the one in Toronto should be measured to the very top of all they got, since they are not skyscrapers but just communication/observation towers.

I would love for someone to put together a chart or graph showing the tallest skyscrapers in the world today (or being built) without any of those spire/antenna/broomstick gimmickry: only to the top of the last habitable floor, AND mentioning how many HABITABLE floors they got--and that IS it. That would be THE TRUE numbers and figures to remember, not all these tricks and gimmicks
Here you go, I made a chart of the 10 tallest buildings Com and T/O to the highest occupied floor. All heights came from CTBUH.

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Old June 14th, 2016, 10:19 PM   #7074
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Old June 15th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #7076
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so what I'm seeing in that diagram is the fact that the last really famous supertall (but only those with more than 400m and without counting the ones that are still u/c) that have/had a height/total floor occupied ratio of maybe almost 100% are/were Sears Tower, Guangzhou IFC, Shanghai WFC is pretty close too and Old WTC. The rest are cheaters xD
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That translucent tower in the background is a future render?

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so what I'm seeing in that diagram is the fact that the last really famous supertall (but only those with more than 400m and without counting the ones that are still u/c) that have/had a height/total floor occupied ratio of maybe almost 100% are/were Sears Tower, Guangzhou IFC, Shanghai WFC is pretty close too and Old WTC. The rest are cheaters xD
Only if you feel like looking at things in a particular way, which most people don't. And the Burj Khalifa still has the highest occupied floor, which is what you are trying to make the standing mark. So it really doesn't matter.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 05:15 PM   #7078
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Only if you feel like looking at things in a particular way, which most people don't. And the Burj Khalifa still has the highest occupied floor, which is what you are trying to make the standing mark. So it really doesn't matter.
The higher.. the better. That's my particular way of looking at things. Was just making a trivial observation.

And you also still have at least 1 more particular way to look at things.. a person can always stand at the tip of the burj khalifa, so if a person is there.. the 800m also count as highest occupied floor
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Old June 15th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #7079
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That translucent tower in the background is a future render?
That's One57. Photographer caught a lot of sunlight in those two photos.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 09:18 PM   #7080
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Here you go, I made a chart of the 10 tallest buildings Com and T/O to the highest occupied floor. All heights came from CTBUH.

This means that in reality talking about occupied floors or floors height there are still no Megatalls on Earth. :/

I'm a height fan but I agree when the trick is too much (Kingdom Tower?).
As an architect I like spires and everything that can be designed as a nice addition to buildings (one of my favourite part of NYC Skyline is BOAT) but when it's too much or bad done (1WTC ) I'm not a supporter.

BTW to go back on topic I really like this one and can't wait to see its progression.
The old design with the spire was interesting but in the end I think I will like also this one, the squared and slim design gives an amazing sense of highness and from Central Park will be a stunning vision anyway!
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