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Old July 24th, 2016, 02:53 PM   #7201
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This montage explains why people like myself are more excited about 1 Vanderbilt than any other tower in midtown. It's location an size will have the most powerful effect on the skyline from the East River.
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Old July 24th, 2016, 04:06 PM   #7202
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Old July 24th, 2016, 06:22 PM   #7203
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I think That central park Tower need the come back of it spire to show it domination into the skyline!!!
Low chance...

I think they will go for balance and symmetry.

1 Vanderbilt and ESB the giants with spires in the center, CPT and 432Park the big ones with flat roof on east-west sides.

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Old July 24th, 2016, 08:11 PM   #7204
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Low chance...

I think they will go for balance and symmetry.
I don't think that Gary Barnett has any interest in sharing the skyline. Nor has any other developer selling billions worth of real estate.

With the luxury market toughening, this building needs to do more to compete. I wouldn't be surprised if a more interesting crown is in the cards (or even long planned and that plan kept close to his chest until One57 is sold out).
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Old July 25th, 2016, 08:29 PM   #7205
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There are no Asian cities, or any cities in the world, that are building supertalls this thin. It's a distinctly New York phenomenon driven by its unique marketplace and building parameters.
Dubai.
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Old July 25th, 2016, 08:42 PM   #7206
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Dubai.
I don't think so. The only place is the marina and even then, they aren't as slim as Steinway or this tower etc.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 01:57 AM   #7207
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Frankly, I prefer the Central Park Tower without its spire. Why does every single skyscraper today need a rod protruding out of it?
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Old July 26th, 2016, 02:10 AM   #7208
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A nice, well placed spire can carry the upward gesture of a towers verticality that little extra bit further adding lightness and making the tower a bit more elusive.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 02:36 AM   #7209
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Frankly, I prefer the Central Park Tower without its spire. Why does every single skyscraper today need a rod protruding out of it?
It doesn't. Perhaps I can interest you in a nice crown?

Plenty of modernist boxes are built and some are great. But an upscale residential building like this needs to distinguish itself from the pack to justify its asking price.


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Old July 26th, 2016, 05:39 AM   #7210
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There are no Asian cities, or any cities in the world, that are building supertalls this thin. It's a distinctly New York phenomenon driven by its unique marketplace and building parameters.
Yes. New York is unique.
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Old July 26th, 2016, 09:29 AM   #7211
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Hi guys!

There is the progress in the construction during the month of June.



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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:25 PM   #7212
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I don't think that Gary Barnett has any interest in sharing the skyline. Nor has any other developer selling billions worth of real estate.

With the luxury market toughening, this building needs to do more to compete. I wouldn't be surprised if a more interesting crown is in the cards (or even long planned and that plan kept close to his chest until One57 is sold out).
And why do you think Barnett will be interested the building to have a spire? - it will only make the cost go up. (might look only like a stick on top, but it actually add a lot to the cost, the building structure to support the spire, even the spire itself is not cheap).

Anyway, it is so much taller than One57, a spire would just make it redundant. (a spire don't necessarily make the building more interesting, just taller)
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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:45 AM   #7213
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Old July 28th, 2016, 03:51 AM   #7214
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And why do you think Barnett will be interested the building to have a spire? - it will only make the cost go up.
An ornamental feature is only interesting if it helps move apartments faster, of course.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #7215
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An ornamental feature is only interesting if it helps move apartments faster, of course.
It's hard to tell in the written word, but I sincerely hope that was sarcasm intended to make the point that quite the opposite is true.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #7216
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It's hard to tell in the written word, but I sincerely hope that was sarcasm intended to make the point that quite the opposite is true.
Oh, that came out completely wrong. I meant of interest to a strictly rational developer. Aesthetics are a different matter.

It does read better as sarcasm
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Old July 29th, 2016, 05:27 PM   #7217
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Obviously buildings like 1WTC have traumatised people into believing a roof feature must always be a big pole. Look no further than the Foster 2WTC design to see how beautiful a roof feature can be on a glass tower.

Indeed there is no point in a bland stick on top as a spire, but that doesn't automatically mean they can't add something gorgeous to the roof.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 07:30 PM   #7218
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And why do you think Barnett will be interested the building to have a spire? - it will only make the cost go up. (might look only like a stick on top, but it actually add a lot to the cost, the building structure to support the spire, even the spire itself is not cheap).

Anyway, it is so much taller than One57, a spire would just make it redundant. (a spire don't necessarily make the building more interesting, just taller)
The only reason I could think of would be to make it taller than 1WTC.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #7219
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The only reason I could think of would be to make it taller than 1WTC.
Ain't gonna happen.
1 WTC will likely remain the tallest building in NYC for a long time due to the symbolism and emotional charge. Roof level may be higher (such as 432 Park) but permits to go higher than 1776' would likely be denied.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 07:55 PM   #7220
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...but permits to go higher than 1776' would likely be denied.
This seems unlikely to me. What stake does the government have in preventing a taller building than 1776'?

As far as I can tell, the only thing getting in the way is the public image of the developers. They don't want to be seen as more gauche than they are by overshadowing the symbolism of One WTC, just to add another superlative to their enormously expensive towers. Or more simply: it's not clear that buyers/tenants are paying enough extra to live in the "tallest" buildings that it would offset the developer's bad press.

Partly, I think this is an ultraluxury residential problem. I bet if an 1800-foot office tower were proposed, no one would have a problem with it.
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