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Old August 3rd, 2016, 10:09 PM   #7261
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Robert AM Stern invited William Baker, the structural engineer on Burj Khalifa for a symposium at Yale a few years back, and in that he mentioned that these supertalls almost have to be residential (or residential-ish like a hotel). Otherwise the demands of vertical circulation in an office building alone, not to mention unusably small floorplates make it next to impossible for commercial use (or at least the kind of tenant that would justify the costs).
And even if the commercial buildings were to attract valuation, investment and tourism, observation towers, as Tokyo Skytree, the CN Tower and even the Space Needle in Seattle, seem to be more suitable and may be investments that pay for themselves faster that justify the creation of an entirely commercial megatall only to attract the architectural tourism. Triple use of the Burj Khalifa is perhaps the most commercial one megatall may have to be viable. The double use of the Trump International Hotel and Tower, with residential and hotel could be another variant of it. The residential use of supertalls as 432 Park Ave seem trend outside China/Southeast Asia.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 11:48 PM   #7262
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And even if the commercial buildings were to attract valuation, investment and tourism, observation towers, as Tokyo Skytree, the CN Tower and even the Space Needle in Seattle, seem to be more suitable and may be investments that pay for themselves faster that justify the creation of an entirely commercial megatall only to attract the architectural tourism. Triple use of the Burj Khalifa is perhaps the most commercial one megatall may have to be viable. The double use of the Trump International Hotel and Tower, with residential and hotel could be another variant of it. The residential use of supertalls as 432 Park Ave seem trend outside China/Southeast Asia.
The other thing is that people like tall buildings in the abstract. They like the idea of being up high -- for short periods of time. in the post-9/11 world I'm not sure how many people really want to work day in and day out 1,500 feet up in the air. The psychological dynamic changes if all the neighboring buildings are of similar height (because 120 years ago 50 stories would've seemed scary high). I think we like the idea of taller and taller buildings, but the reality of them is often not suitable to being basically more than observation towers (or in the case of 111 W 57 or CPT, essentially a residential observation tower).
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Old August 4th, 2016, 12:31 AM   #7263
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The other thing is that people like tall buildings in the abstract. They like the idea of being up high -- for short periods of time. in the post-9/11 world I'm not sure how many people really want to work day in and day out 1,500 feet up in the air. The psychological dynamic changes if all the neighboring buildings are of similar height (because 120 years ago 50 stories would've seemed scary high). I think we like the idea of taller and taller buildings, but the reality of them is often not suitable to being basically more than observation towers (or in the case of 111 W 57 or CPT, essentially a residential observation tower).
I recently watched an old Natgeo documentary about Sears Tower and caught my attention not only for engineering prowess, but also because of how people accommodated in it, more than 10 thousand, I saw how it was the entrance lobby and several common use dependencies in this supertall. I just didn't think very good because of the amount of clustering within a building. It's a lot of people to be bumping and thought it really should be the maximum. Why really if you think about height, the point is the same in a commercial. You mean you will be more people using lifts and more need that the building should have in terms of floorplate limitation. So I think at this point, for the comfort of users, the limit for a commercial building may be at most in these patterns we see today in the Willis Former Sears Tower or even in International Commerce Centre or One WTC.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 10:22 PM   #7264
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I visited NYC and took a few shots of the tower from Broadway and from the 67th floor of the Residence Inn Central Park, the tallest hotel in America.
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Old August 7th, 2016, 10:38 PM   #7265
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Very Gothamy! I love the stone façade. It goes very well with shorter, Central Park South hotels and other structures. Actually, well done

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maybe repent? Its a good fit for central park. Much Better than the ultra-tall glass monolith rising behind.

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Old August 9th, 2016, 02:51 AM   #7266
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CENTRAL PARK TOWER

Architect:
Adamson Associates
Interiors:
Rottet Studio
Design Architect:
Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture

131 Stories
Projected Date of Completion: 2019
131 stories ????????

http://www.extelldev.com/extell_resi...ark_tower.html
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Old August 9th, 2016, 04:14 AM   #7267
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We can't go by that. The definition of "stories" is very fluid in those luxury developments.
Bigger deal to me is:

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Rising to over 1,550 feet above Manhattan, Central Park Tower will be New York’s tallest residential tower, surpassing Extell’s own record-breaking ONE57
Could it be taller than we thought? And this is coming from Extell's site so no speculation here.
Also we can pretty much confirm that the tower is pretty much the same as what Yimby has been posting.

http://www.extelldev.com/extell_resi...rk_tower.html#
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Old August 9th, 2016, 04:53 AM   #7268
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"Rising to over 1,550 feet above Manhattan..."

Could it be taller than we thought? And this is coming from Extell's site so no speculation here.
1550 feet & 1 inch
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Old August 9th, 2016, 05:54 AM   #7269
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The latest figure we've heard is 1,569' so possibly.

This tower looks insanely narrow in real life, way narrower than in the renderings. Maybe that's just part of the whole width?
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Old August 9th, 2016, 06:49 PM   #7270
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The latest figure we've heard is 1,569' so possibly.

This tower looks insanely narrow in real life, way narrower than in the renderings. Maybe that's just part of the whole width?
They haven't started the cantilever yet.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #7271
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From the latest structural drawings I've seen, the 99th floor is the main roof level and is at 1514'-0" elevation, and top of the screen wall/parapet is 1544'-2".
Earlier version was showing the top of the tower (main roof) at 1527'-10" and then the spire up to 1775'-0".
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From the latest structural drawings I've seen, the 99th floor is the main roof level and is at 1514'-0" elevation, and top of the screen wall/parapet is 1544'-2".
Earlier version was showing the top of the tower (main roof) at 1527'-10" and then the spire up to 1775'-0".
elevation above street or sea level?
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Old August 10th, 2016, 02:14 AM   #7273
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There are at least 108 REAL FLOORS.
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Old August 10th, 2016, 02:25 AM   #7274
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What an insanely slim, elegant beast! One57 looks great as well in that last shot above.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 01:32 AM   #7275
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I lile that, this is gona be amazing building
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Old August 11th, 2016, 10:03 PM   #7276
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Old August 12th, 2016, 01:39 AM   #7277
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So there will be no spires on this building?
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So there will be no spires on this building?
No.


Well we hope not.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 04:13 AM   #7279
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I want one....
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Old August 12th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #7280
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Guess we can put those unfounded rumors about the potential of this tower being on hold to rest.


Extell Development Company And SMI USA Announce Joint Venture For Central Park Tower
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300312675.html



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NEW YORK, Aug. 11, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Extell Development Company, a premier luxury real estate development firm with a portfolio exceeding 20 million square feet, and SMI USA (SMI), the US subsidiary of Shanghai Municipal Investment, a leading infrastructural investment company responsible for the esteemed Shanghai Tower, announced today a joint venture agreement to co-develop Central Park Tower, a $3.0 billion supertall residential and commercial project located on Billionaire's Row in midtown Manhattan.

"This strategic alliance with SMI brings together two international industry leaders with a track record of creating iconic global skyscrapers. SMI has developed the tallest building in Shanghai and we look forward to our partnership as we jointly develop the tallest building in New York City," said Gary Barnett, founder and CEO of Extell Development Company. "We believe the superb location, views, design and quality of Central Park Tower will make it the most important residential building ever to be built in New York City and expect it to be a great success for Extell and SMI." SMI's investment will have first priority, and its investment is expected to receive a return of 20% to 30% per annum over the course of the project.

"We are excited to be able to participate in the development of the tallest residential tower in New York City, on a conservative high return basis. We look forward to a long lasting relationship with Extell, one of the top development companies in the United States," said Tom Tao, President of SMI USA.

Rising to 1,550 feet high, Central Park Tower, when completed will be the tallest residential building in the Western Hemisphere and offer unprecedented 360-degree views of New York City and beyond. Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture, the renowned architects whose credits include the world's tallest building, the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, and Kingdom Tower in Saudi Arabia, the future world's tallest building, have now designed Central Park Tower which will be New York's most significant contribution to the global stage of supertall towers. The architectural vision for the project is founded on the principles of integrated architectural design, interior layouts and structural efficiency, positioning the building as a powerful statement in the Manhattan skyline. Located at 225 West 57th Street, Central Park Tower is slated for completion in 2019 with sales launching later this year.
According to Curbed, sales will start in the fall

Central Park Tower's condos will hit the market this year
http://ny.curbed.com/2016/8/11/12443...c-sales-update

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The market for ludicrously pricey trophy homes in New York City is drying up but Extell, never one to follow the crowd, is moving right along with its plans for New York City’s tallest residential building. Today in a press release, the One57 developer announced that sales for Central Park Tower will launch later this year. The move confirms that the 1,550-foot condo won’t be following the lead set by its neighbor at 111 West 57th Street, where sales were put off until next year amid a slowing market. It’s a power move and ever-more proof that Extell’s gonna Extell.
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