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Old October 11th, 2016, 03:31 AM   #7381
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I believe most of those buildings next to 220 CPS on 59th st are landmarked so I doubt they'll ever be redeveloped.
I wouldn't call CPT a major disappointment cause it will have a major impact on the skyline, but that's about it. The design is banal at best, it looks like any glass tower that you see rising anywhere in the world, truly a missed opportunity.
But it'll be tall...
Actually I disagree.. it's elegant and stately, and contrasts well with both 432 Park and Steinway... the base is going to be gorgeous and while more conservative in design than many would like it represents New York proudly, and will probably look even better as we get closer to seeing the finished product. Talk about a wasted opportunity...think much more the Spiral on the West Side, barely supertall where it was envisioned earlier as the potential "Hudson Spire" soaring up to 1,800ft along midtown West Side. another Bjorn Ingels/ BIG calamity... at least their other big let down, the new proposed design for WTC2 would be over 250ft taller and have more impact in the skyline.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 04:01 AM   #7382
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To be clear it is nowhere as disappointing as a 2WTC or a Hudson Spire, and I'm glad it's getting built. That said I don't think there is anything remotely distinctive about that design, you could say the cantilever is an engineering feat but it is also the worst part of the design in my opinion.
I was hoping for the tallest tower in the city to have a design that would stand out, and that is clearly not the case here, to me it looks like any other glass tower out there so yea, it was a wasted opportunity to create an iconic tower. But again that's my opinion.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #7383
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New York City doesn't generally do "Iconic Towers" in the first place ... they all contribute to the single icon that is the NY Skyline in aggregate. So having a relatively understated Central Park Tower is actually perfectly in line with what it should be.

New York City's ego is in its combined impression not its individual buildings.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 07:54 AM   #7384
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Really? So the Woolworth Tower, State Empire, Chrysler Building, The Rockefeller Center, The MetLife Tower, The Twin Towers now replaced by Freedom Tower, all these, and more I'm sure I'm forgetting, none of them were ever iconic?
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Old October 11th, 2016, 02:25 PM   #7385
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Yeah, after they were built, and I do think this will also be some sort of icon in a few years.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 03:13 PM   #7386
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Really? So the Woolworth Tower, State Empire, Chrysler Building, The Rockefeller Center, The MetLife Tower, The Twin Towers now replaced by Freedom Tower, all these, and more I'm sure I'm forgetting, none of them were ever iconic?
The bank of america tower, hearst tower and the timer warner center are also amazing
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Old October 11th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #7387
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New York City doesn't generally do "Iconic Towers" in the first place ... .
What??? We invented the "iconic" skyscrapers with the ESB, the Chrysler, Woolworth and others, which every city in the world has been looking to emulate since.
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Old October 11th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #7388
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What??? We invented the "iconic" skyscrapers with the ESB, the Chrysler, Woolworth and others, which every city in the world has been looking to emulate since.
AT&T Building, UN Secretariat Building, Lever House, Met Life Building (both the Gropius and LeBrun Towers), Citibank Tower, 30 Rockefeller Center, 8 Spruce Street, New York Life Building, American Radiator Building...nope nothing iconic at all...
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Old October 12th, 2016, 04:01 AM   #7389
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My point still stands ... the true icon is the whole skyline ...
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Old October 12th, 2016, 04:48 AM   #7390
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My point still stands ... the true icon is the whole skyline ...
You have a good point. There is a difference between an iconic skyline and iconic buildings. You can have iconic buildings without an iconic skyline, you can have an iconic skyline without iconic buildings. NY has both!
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Old October 12th, 2016, 06:53 AM   #7391
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Indeed, renders show a blank wall with this side protruding.


The Real Deal


To add to that, the extension has odd setbacks on both its north and south face. At seemingly arbitrary floors, not aligned with anything else.


Yimby


Conversely, the other side of the building just unceremoniously stops at a low floor. All in all, not a very coherent design, unless I'm missing something.

That Real Deal article is recent and a good read, by the way: Inside Gary Barnett’s game of real estate Tetris.
Perhaps the seemingly random setbacks have something to do with vortex shedding behavior.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #7392
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Photos from two days ago.
There are lots of small protrusions on the facade beneath the overhang, like a climbing wall. Hopefully this means we'll see some cladding shortly.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 05:18 PM   #7393
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How did you post pictures with only one post?
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Old October 12th, 2016, 08:10 PM   #7394
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interesting, because that's where there isn't supposed to be cladding.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 08:34 PM   #7395
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On the renderings it looks like more finished-looking stone or metal goes there. No reason for it to be unclad as it will be visible above the art society building.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 08:55 PM   #7396
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Yeah, in the most recent renders, it looks like that wall will be clad with the same material as those gray accents between floors. Maybe some kind of brushed metal?
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Old October 14th, 2016, 03:26 PM   #7397
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Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, this is worth a repost.
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before anyone brings up the apparently bland base, this is what it will look like up close.

http://newyorkyimby.com/2015/04/reve...-building.html

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Old October 14th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #7398
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So that's where the biggest store will be right? Simple but great looking!
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Old October 14th, 2016, 05:30 PM   #7399
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It might be, but someone more informed should say that.
I agree about the wavy glass, it represents the (my) essence of elegance and sophistication.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 10:22 PM   #7400
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I agree. That is a very nice wave pattern. Almost like a curtain.
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