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Old November 27th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #741
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Wow, a roof height of 1550 feet or 472m. I didnīt expect this height at all. It will easily break the 500m mark with a roof feature then. I guess since DOB documents have been released, a proposal has been shown to the city already. The tension regarding the wait for renders is unbearable.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 12:24 PM   #742
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that supertall which was animated in "The Amazing Spider Man" would be an awesome design i think . But would prefer it without the spire
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Old November 27th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #743
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When it says the highest floor is 472m, does this mean it will be even taller to fit all the mechanical equipment in for the lifts and stuff?

Just like 432, the highest floor is 398m, but the to house the equipment, the building reaches to 426m?
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Old November 27th, 2012, 12:45 PM   #744
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When it says the highest floor is 472m, does this mean it will be even taller to fit all the mechanical equipment in for the lifts and stuff?

Just like 432, the highest floor is 398m, but the to house the equipment, the building reaches to 426m?
Height information on DOB documents usually refer to the highest occupied floor and donīt include roof features, spires or the likes.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 12:49 PM   #745
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i'm pretty sure there will be a crown or something to bring it to over 500m
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #746
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Wow, this is incredible news. This is a dream of mine comming true, a new tallest in the Western Hemisphere. This is the height I've been waiting for. If there will be mech floors above the top occupied floor this could be 500 meters even without any crown. This is the height I've been waiting for in NYC
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #747
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I canīt believe, that i, fully agree with you. :O

And here some VERY exciting reads from SSP.

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Gary Barnett’s Biggest Blockbuster Yet: 225 West 57th Street, New York’s First 1,550-Foot Tower

By Matt Chaban 6:00am


I'm so damn happy and excited right now and waiting for those renderings feels similiar to what I felt like as a child while waiting for my christmas presents.





“There won’t be a spire or anything like that, the floors will go all the way to the top, or almost to the top, with some mechanicals above,” Mr. Barnett said. “This is not a gimmick.”
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:54 PM   #748
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Can we change thread title to 472+m/1550+ft 88fl??
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #749
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“There won’t be a spire or anything like that, the floors will go all the way to the top, or almost to the top, with some mechanicals above,” Mr. Barnett said. “This is not a gimmick.”
This is awesome news and I agree that the thread title should be changed for the new height.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:15 PM   #750
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Agreed 472m is pretty extreme (for ny at least). Since they say there will be just technical equipment above that and no spire I guess it won't be much taller than 472m - probably flat topped below 500m.

So, again, just for the sake of comparison. How tall to the roof was this rejected proposal?

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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #751
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I come here and I see this.
THIS

I'm having a hard time digesting how awesome this is.

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Agreed 472m is pretty extreme (for ny at least). Since they say there will be just technical equipment above that and no spire I guess it won't be much taller than 472m - probably flat topped below 500m.

So, again, just for the sake of comparison. How tall to the roof was this rejected proposal?

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We don't know, but that photoshop shows a roof height of about 480M. Since it seems very unlikely that the roof will be just 8M above the tallest occupied space at 472M, this building will be be taller than the one in the image you posted.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 04:14 PM   #752
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Agreed 472m is pretty extreme (for ny at least). Since they say there will be just technical equipment above that and no spire I guess it won't be much taller than 472m - probably flat topped below 500m.
yes, if there won't be a spire or crown it probably won't reach 500m. in that case i estimate a max height of 480 to 490m
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Old November 27th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #753
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yes, if there won't be a spire or crown it probably won't reach 500m. in that case i estimate a max height of 480 to 490m
It's hard to say, the highest occupied floor is 1550ft and I believe they said that would be the 85ft. That means there is 2-3 mechanical floors, and I would assume 5-7m for each slab to slab. This could very well end up 500m+ to the top.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 04:33 PM   #754
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yes, if there won't be a spire or crown it probably won't reach 500m. in that case i estimate a max height of 480 to 490m
It will be a close call.

432 PA's highest occupied floor is at 397m and the roof at 426m. So this gives us 426 - 397 = 29m for mechanicals. Therefore it's quite possible the mechanical levels could take up to 30m in this tower and bring it to 500m.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #755
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It's hard to say, the highest occupied floor is 1550ft and I believe they said that would be the 85ft. That means there is 2-3 mechanical floors, and I would assume 5-7m for each slab to slab. This could very well end up 500m+ to the top.
Yes mechanical floors are often tall and there are usually several of them. Thats why I said probably below 500m. I think it will be around 500m. If above that then probably not much but I don't think it will be less than 490.
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Well if the highest occupied floor is 1550 feet and it's 85 feet tall the building is going to be over 1635 feet, likely 1650 or 1700 at least.

This is almost too good to be true
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #757
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I still can't really get my head around a height like this, but what will make this even more impressive is that it's going to be built in one of the most densely built areas on the planet. Unbelievable.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #758
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I don't get it. People keeps saying that 1550 feet is the highest occupied floor, So it should be taller when added mechanical floors and things like that, Is that so?

I am not familiarized with the building permits issues in NY or in the USA. But, generally, when they talk about building height is the building height, that is to the top of the building, and the permit says buiding height 1550 ft. Shouldn't it be to the top, to the roof? or effectively it is different in NY and it does mean highest occupied floor?

For example the Citigroup Center is 279 meters / 915 feet to the top of that 45š roof. And the Tower Verre was capped to 1050 ft. to the tip, not the highest floor, didn't it?
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #759
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For example the Citigroup Center is 279 meters / 915 feet to the top of that 45š roof. And the Tower Verre was capped to 1050 ft. to the tip, not the highest floor, didn't it?
But those are official heights recognized worldwide. 225's 472m is height registered in nyc Department of Buildings (DOB). It has nothing to do with the height to be listed in worldwide recognized CTBUH index. Main height will be architectural height (to the tip of crown or spire), and secondary like top habitable floor height and structural height.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #760
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Since NY does things based on air rights and I assume the tower will use all of it, can we create an estimate of the width of the tower based on height and floor count?
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