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Old December 11th, 2017, 09:27 PM   #8221
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Suddenly I feel like if I was having a really hard time reading in english... is it just me?

BTW, 432 is showing us the beginning of a new era with slender skyscrapers, in the near future this structures will be sticking out of the skyline, giving it a glimpse of what Manhattan used to be in the early 20th century, which IMO is gonna be freacking cool.

Dammit NY is booming.
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Old December 11th, 2017, 10:36 PM   #8222
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skyline pic shows it is essentially the same height as carnegie hall tower across the street, so 230m
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Old December 12th, 2017, 05:08 AM   #8223
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Suddenly I feel like if I was having a really hard time reading in english... is it just me?

BTW, 432 is showing us the beginning of a new era with slender skyscrapers, in the near future this structures will be sticking out of the skyline, giving it a glimpse of what Manhattan used to be in the early 20th century, which IMO is gonna be freacking cool.

Dammit NY is booming.
It'll look a bit like Coruscant soon with so many tall slivers including the world's most spindly skyscraper.
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Old December 12th, 2017, 04:51 PM   #8224
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It'll look a bit like Coruscant soon with so many tall slivers including the world's most spindly skyscraper.
Makes sense. Coruscant was modeled after Metropolis which was modeled after New York City.
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Old December 12th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #8225
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Old December 12th, 2017, 10:49 PM   #8226
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Makes sense. Coruscant was modeled after Metropolis which was modeled after New York City.
I didn't know it was modeled after Metropolis. Superman Metropolis or 1927 Metropolis?
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I didn't know it was modeled after Metropolis. Superman Metropolis or 1927 Metropolis?
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Old December 13th, 2017, 06:11 AM   #8229
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I rarely prefer a spire. Only when it works with the design of the building instead of looking slapped on (see the above rendering). Chrysler is a good example of a spire working well, and all the Chrysler copies like in Philly, Atlanta, plus the Shard, etc. IMO this one is as good as it will get without the spire.
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Old December 13th, 2017, 07:41 AM   #8230
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I rarely prefer a spire. Only when it works with the design of the building instead of looking slapped on (see the above rendering).
Totally agree. While I think a spire could have been nice in terms of breaking up the plateau, that particular spire was plain ugly. A worse version of the BofA spire with zero relationship to the tower.

I'd like to have seen a glass-enclosed spire, in the style of the Comcast Innovation Center's "lantern," extending the form of the cantilevered Eastern volume. Something like this (apologies for the crap cut-and-paste quality) maybe:



But barring something properly integrated into the rest of the tower, we're better off without the spire.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 11:25 AM   #8231
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Old December 15th, 2017, 06:28 AM   #8232
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Old December 16th, 2017, 05:41 PM   #8233
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I wonder if the poster from Wicked will still be there by then though
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Old December 18th, 2017, 04:40 AM   #8234
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Totally agree. While I think a spire could have been nice in terms of breaking up the plateau, that particular spire was plain ugly. A worse version of the BofA spire with zero relationship to the tower.

I'd like to have seen a glass-enclosed spire, in the style of the Comcast Innovation Center's "lantern," extending the form of the cantilevered Eastern volume. Something like this (apologies for the crap cut-and-paste quality) maybe:



But barring something properly integrated into the rest of the tower, we're better off without the spire.
Postwar spires seem to make sense less often. The antennae and spires of the buildings that have held the world's tallest record worked and don't seem like cheap height but some others just looked tacked on for the heck of it. The CPT spire doesn't fit aesthetically but would've made Midtown tall like heck for neighborhoods more than a bit closer to it than the World Trade Center. i.e. Columbia University, LaGuardia Airport
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Totally agree. While I think a spire could have been nice in terms of breaking up the plateau, that particular spire was plain ugly. A worse version of the BofA spire with zero relationship to the tower.

I'd like to have seen a glass-enclosed spire, in the style of the Comcast Innovation Center's "lantern," extending the form of the cantilevered Eastern volume. Something like this (apologies for the crap cut-and-paste quality) maybe:



But barring something properly integrated into the rest of the tower, we're better off without the spire.
This looks a LOT worse than the original spire.
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Old December 18th, 2017, 10:32 PM   #8236
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The Comcast Tower is an eyesore ... Philadelphia got a raw deal with how that turned out. Don't want to bring that to NYC.
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Spires look tacked on 9/10 times. Just look at Wilishire Grand.

If you want to look back at better designs, might as well look back at the original sculptural design:

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Old December 18th, 2017, 10:50 PM   #8238
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It must be over 220 meters already.. And it will be over 2 times as high!! Imagine.. It'll have total skyline dominance.
Too thin to have the kind of skyline dominance you're talking about. Skyscrapers that dominate skylines have a weight to their silhouette. A presence that comes not just from height but from width and shape.

It's why 30 Rock has more impact than, say, the BoA Tower. It's also why I think even with its height and location, this tower will be eclipsed by something like One Vanderbilt. And that's just Midtown. I still think the focal point of Manhattan for the foreseeable future will be the new WTC complex, even when it's buildings are beaten in height and size.
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Old December 19th, 2017, 12:58 AM   #8239
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Too thin to have the kind of skyline dominance you're talking about. Skyscrapers that dominate skylines have a weight to their silhouette. A presence that comes not just from height but from width and shape.

It's why 30 Rock has more impact than, say, the BoA Tower. It's also why I think even with its height and location, this tower will be eclipsed by something like One Vanderbilt. And that's just Midtown. I still think the focal point of Manhattan for the foreseeable future will be the new WTC complex, even when it's buildings are beaten in height and size.
Millions of people would disagree. From their home the Midtown skyline's closer and looks more dominant. You have a point though, have you seen 30 Rock from the thin side in Jersey or Queens? It looks so tiny and not dominant. I haven't seen New York by air from far away but Downtown's probably the focal point of Manhattan from there for the foreseeable future. Downtown isn't #1 in everything though. Around 2006 I circumnavigated Midtown in Google Earth at various heights and the skyline had a "plateau level" of about 800 feet above sea level (subtract c. 40-80 feet for above ground). And while it's very fuzzy where the equivalent level was on Downtown my best guess was 720 feet above sea level (subtract c. 6-30 feet for above ground). The top 10-12 buildings don't affect this ultimate measure of width since that's not enough of them to look like a plateau from Bloomberg to Penn Station or 55 Water to Goldman Sachs Tower. It also has more square feet of office space and is the biggest central business district in the world. Downtown's skyline has the plusses of maximum height, looking more crammed with skyscrapers, having existed for longer and cooler geography. It's on the tip of a peninsula in a big bay instead of a nondescript location and getting there by sea is awesome whether you're coming from the Old World or Staten Island)
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Old December 19th, 2017, 07:53 AM   #8240
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must be encroaching 750' by now. For reference, Cityspire Center is 814' although it is closer to the shooting point.


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