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Old January 1st, 2018, 02:15 AM   #8281
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I would have to agree with Baronson about this. Although, the simplicity of it's design is rather mundane in the tapestry of Manhattan architecture. However, it is still interesting, nonetheless.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 02:59 AM   #8282
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I think a lot of the hate 432 gets is because it was the first one up on the 57th street corridor. It opens itself up to more criticism than usual because whether you like it or not, it breaks the plateau from many vantage points. If 432 were among the last towers to go up (say after 157 and CPT), I don't think people would be as vocal about their disdain for it.

I'm convinced the hate will die down in a few years after the rest of the buildings fill in on the 57th street corridor. The Twins were widely criticized for their obnoxious size and boring box like appearance when they were first built. After some context was built around it, they slowly were more appreciated and loved.

At any rate, given the sheer height of the building, it is great to use for way finding in the city ( much like the ESB and WTC 1).


Anyway, back on topic, I don't think the spire is coming back to CPT. But after the new renderings, I think that is quite OK. It looks fine without it.
Steinway and CPT are to far away. IMO 425 PA has a better chance at complementing this tower even though it isn't tall enough but since its one of the few stylish buildings in this area it should make up for 423 ugliness .
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Old January 1st, 2018, 03:35 AM   #8283
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I think a lot of the hate 432 gets is because it was the first one up on the 57th street corridor. It opens itself up to more criticism than usual because whether you like it or not, it breaks the plateau from many vantage points. If 432 were among the last towers to go up (say after 157 and CPT), I don't think people would be as vocal about their disdain for it.

I'm convinced the hate will die down in a few years after the rest of the buildings fill in on the 57th street corridor. The Twins were widely criticized for their obnoxious size and boring box like appearance when they were first built. After some context was built around it, they slowly were more appreciated and loved.

At any rate, given the sheer height of the building, it is great to use for way finding in the city ( much like the ESB and WTC 1).
I think you're right. Since it's the first that tall it naturally gets your attention, and it will stand out for a long time because of its sheer whiteness. That's good and bad in my opinion... good because it makes its presence known prominently, but bad because it does so in a way that's like a spotlight outshining an elegant chandelier.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 07:45 AM   #8284
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I think you're right. Since it's the first that tall it naturally gets your attention, and it will stand out for a long time because of its sheer whiteness. That's good and bad in my opinion... good because it makes its presence known prominently, but bad because it does so in a way that's like a spotlight outshining an elegant chandelier.
I think by the time the elegant chandelier crown arrives via the Steinway tower, most people will be like "432what?"
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Old January 1st, 2018, 11:56 AM   #8285
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432 Park Avenue is what first got me in to this forum, time and time again.. It has that appeal.. Luckily we have had many more since and still ongoing. It's gonna be a great year!
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Old January 1st, 2018, 12:06 PM   #8286
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True, this year will change NYCs skyline as much as the 1930s did.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 05:22 PM   #8287
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True, this year will change NYCs skyline as much as the 1930s did.
Not familiar much with the history of NYC. Was the 1930s the boom years ?
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Old January 1st, 2018, 06:08 PM   #8288
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HAPPY NEW YEAR. Here's hoping that the New Year is in every way complete. With HAPPINESS, SUCCESS, good HEALTH and all that makes LIFE SWEET.
All the best friends from NY ...!
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Old January 1st, 2018, 07:42 PM   #8289
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Not familiar much with the history of NYC. Was the 1930s the boom years ?
Absolutely!

Here: skyscraperpage.com Go to diagrams, type New York as city, type 1930 as min. year and 1940 as max. year.. Then ->Search<- and see what comes up.

..Then do the same kind of search for the 2010s. Its incredible!
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Old January 1st, 2018, 08:03 PM   #8290
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Yes, including the Empire State Building, Chrysler, and Rockefeller Center.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 09:08 PM   #8291
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From 1900 to 2018



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Old January 1st, 2018, 09:31 PM   #8292
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It's interesting to note what happened to the pace of construction after that big boom in the Roaring 20s - very little until the mid-50s.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 09:50 PM   #8293
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It's interesting to note what happened to the pace of construction after that big boom in the Roaring 20s - very little until the mid-50s.
Yeah, it was quite a depressing time.
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I guess it was the 1930s great depression and WW2 right after that..

So the 1930s skyscraper boom actually began in the 20s and ended mid 30s..
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 01:50 PM   #8295
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I guess it was the 1930s great depression and WW2 right after that..

So the 1930s skyscraper boom actually began in the 20s and ended mid 30s..
I think you could even say that it started and ended in the 1920s. It takes a while between the purchase of land and construction begins, after all. The big towers must all have been contracted before the 1929 crash.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 05:12 PM   #8296
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I think a lot of the hate 432 gets is because it was the first one up on the 57th street corridor. It opens itself up to more criticism than usual because whether you like it or not, it breaks the plateau from many vantage points. If 432 were among the last towers to go up (say after 157 and CPT), I don't think people would be as vocal about their disdain for it.
Exactly!! Once the current towers under construction are done, it'll be nice to see a new row of skyscrapers line Central Park! It'll truly feel like the "future" with Hudson Yards, Manhattan West, WTC, and other developments finishing up by the 2020s! To think... there are proposals we'll see this year alone that we haven't imagined yet will one day take place! New buildings even taller than 1WTC in other parts of NYC! Who knows?
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 07:46 PM   #8297
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It's interesting to note what happened to the pace of construction after that big boom in the Roaring 20s - very little until the mid-50s.

America was a little busy back then building battleships and tanks.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 09:20 PM   #8298
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America was a little busy back then building battleships and tanks.
I know the history of the Great Depression and WW2. I was thinking more about the future, and how after that Roaring 20s boom, there was a long lull in construction. Could the same thing happen in the next few years in NYC, or in the West in general? I don't have a crystal ball, but it would be nice to know.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 09:36 PM   #8299
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I know the history of the Great Depression and WW2. I was thinking more about the future, and how after that Roaring 20s boom, there was a long lull in construction. Could the same thing happen in the next few years in NYC, or in the West in general? I don't have a crystal ball, but it would be nice to know.
There was plenty constructed between the 40's and 60's, but none of it was anything that significantly altered the skyline like during the 30s. Midtown East saw the first of its modern international style buildings during this period, and the UN Campus was built. These were literally overshadowed by the modern international style boom during the 60's through the 80s. That was when you got One Chase Manhattan Plaza, the Metlife/Panam Building, the WTC, The XYZ Buildings, the Downtown Waterfront Towers and a slew of other big boxes.

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Could the same thing happen in the next few years in NYC, or in the West in general? I don't have a crystal ball, but it would be nice to know.
As long as the West continues on this trajectory of corporations and high-net-worth individuals consolidating wealth, skyscrapers will continue to rise.

Which is not to say that there won't be lulls in the market. We just went through a massive boom, so naturally a glut and dip in demand will follow. But the main engines of skyscraper growth -- large office tenants and condo buyers -- are becoming increasingly immune to recession/depression.
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