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Old February 23rd, 2013, 09:51 AM   #1221
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Cool. This project is moving forward.
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 09:54 AM   #1222
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Wow, that would be fast
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 02:53 PM   #1223
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Wait what? First quarter of 2013, they have one month left.
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 05:22 PM   #1224
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Any webcams on this?
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 05:50 PM   #1225
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Any webcams on this?
not yet, but i think there's a good chance a cam will be installed
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 06:39 PM   #1226
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According to "crainsnewyork.com"
"Excavation on the site's 40,000-square-foot footprint could begin by the first quarter of 2013."
This 40,000 sq foot footprint is as big as One WTC's footprint.
So the sides gotta be 200'X200' and if the plot is T-shaped, the sides will be larger yet...
I would be glad if you cited that figure with references..
Anyway, i think the sides will be by far larger than 117'
I said it'd be sides of 117 ft. if it was a square floorplan bottom-to-top. The fact that it'll have a floorplan with 200 ft sides. indicates that we'll have a tower with setbacks farther up. Thanks for the info, though.

As far as my works cited, here you go:

This tower will have 1,200,000 square feet. 88 floors will contribute to this space. If you divide 1,200,000 by 88, you'll get an average floorplan of 13,636 square feet. I said that'd be the number with a square floor plan top-to bottom, so that would indicate equal space per floor. I simply take the square root of that number to get 117, which would be the length of all four sides if it was a square floorplan top to bottom. However, since we'll have setbacks, that number will vary.
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 06:51 PM   #1227
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I just realized something really important. What I said in the above post about an average floor plan being 13,636 square feet? Well, that number times 3 is exactly 40,908 square feet. In a triangular prism, the center of gravity is 1/3 the height of the top. That same property would apply to floor plan space from bottom to top. It's very likely that this tower's shape could be a triangular prism sitting on one of its sides.
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 07:07 PM   #1228
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888 7th Avenue looks to me like a good spot for a webcam.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 04:06 AM   #1229
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These guys have some nice designs.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #1230
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These guys have some nice designs.
I like a lot of AS+GG's designs to date. Would you say that, with them behind the wheel, we're almost guaranteed something rounded or at least with some curves? It seems to be their trademark.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 05:53 AM   #1231
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I would assume so. Non-curvey can be great too though. Consider Torre Verre and the London Shard.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:08 AM   #1232
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Right, I actually usually much prefer hard edges and angles. There aren't that many curvy buildings I love, but these guys seem to know how to make it work. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on NYC's future tallest potentially being curvy, if anyone has any strong opinions about whether it would or wouldn't work in the context of the skyline as a whole. I don't live there but my general sense is that something like, say, Wuhan Greenland Center would feel odd -- "not New York." I felt the same way when I saw the renders of 15 Penn (which isn't even that curvaceous), there just isn't anything like that on the skyline.

All of which is to say, I'd bet money that whatever they come up with, even if it does have curves or rounded edges or whatever, still pays its homage to classic NY architecture -- setbacks, strong vertical lines, etc. AS+GG seem smart enough that they can be inventive while still keeping in context. Jin Mao is a great example.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:42 AM   #1233
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I said it'd be sides of 117 ft. if it was a square floorplan bottom-to-top. The fact that it'll have a floorplan with 200 ft sides. indicates that we'll have a tower with setbacks farther up. Thanks for the info, though.

As far as my works cited, here you go:

This tower will have 1,200,000 square feet. 88 floors will contribute to this space. If you divide 1,200,000 by 88, you'll get an average floorplan of 13,636 square feet. I said that'd be the number with a square floor plan top-to bottom, so that would indicate equal space per floor. I simply take the square root of that number to get 117, which would be the length of all four sides if it was a square floorplan top to bottom. However, since we'll have setbacks, that number will vary.
Let's hope for the best, anyways...
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Old February 24th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #1234
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Right, I actually usually much prefer hard edges and angles. There aren't that many curvy buildings I love.
What about the Lipstick, Goldman, 919 2nd Ave, 750 Lex, 1261 2nd Ave., and One State Street. They are just some of the many curvy towers in Mahattan, and I love them all. To each his own though.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #1235
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any renders of tower?
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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #1236
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Right, I actually usually much prefer hard edges and angles. There aren't that many curvy buildings I love, but these guys seem to know how to make it work. I'm just curious what people's thoughts are on NYC's future tallest potentially being curvy, if anyone has any strong opinions about whether it would or wouldn't work in the context of the skyline as a whole. I don't live there but my general sense is that something like, say, Wuhan Greenland Center would feel odd -- "not New York." I felt the same way when I saw the renders of 15 Penn (which isn't even that curvaceous), there just isn't anything like that on the skyline.

All of which is to say, I'd bet money that whatever they come up with, even if it does have curves or rounded edges or whatever, still pays its homage to classic NY architecture -- setbacks, strong vertical lines, etc. AS+GG seem smart enough that they can be inventive while still keeping in context. Jin Mao is a great example.
A building shouldn't always have to pay homage to classic NY architecture. That isn't the best way to progress architectural innovation in NYC. I am totally pro a curvy building here and I hope the architect doesn't go art-deco, modernist or classic for inspiration for the umpteenth time. I want to see something highly modern (futurist?) and a style that NY does not currently know, such as the Greenland Center, Shanghai Tower, etc on a smaller scale. The fact that it will be different from the rest and stand out is a plus, not a negative. The London Gherkin was a massive aberration when it was built , but now it is being joined by sister towers of similar organic designs. That is what is needed, a catalyst building in NYC to pave the way for more interesting designs in the future and form the basis of a new modern style for NYC, rather than rehashing old styles over and over again. Manhattan is a melting pot of designs, I think it would be best to continue to provide contrast and evolve design rather than attempting to fit in. Trump Tower did wonders for Chicago's boxy skyline and gave it a conspicuous focal point that offers pleasing contrast to the hard edges all around. The same thing can happen in Manhattan.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #1237
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any renders of tower?
not yet. but hopefully the design will be released soon
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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #1238
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Am i the only one wishing a box for this proposal?
If I were priviliged to choose a design for this thing, I wouldn't get hurt with another Hearst tower with that freaking figure for Midtown.
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Am i the only one wishing a box for this proposal?
If I were priviliged to choose a design for this thing, I wouldn't get hurt with another Hearst tower with that freaking figure for Midtown.
Probably not, but I'm anti-box here. We have the park avenue tower to fulfill our boxy desires. I personally find the Hearst to be a pleasant design from the past, but I would prefer the new building to go far beyond that into unknown territory for the city as I have previously mentioned.
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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #1240
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I hope to see a very futuristic design here, setbacks or not (though i'm pressuming by the square footage and height there will be? or will it taper to a point?)

So that you will have the Empire State Building at one end of Midtown, with its 1920/30s architecture, and is still a very dominating building, then at the other end of the midtown cluster you have this building looking futuristic, showing how far skyscrapers have come since the early days, and then you have everything else inbetween.
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